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The most disappointing Trek Movie..

The biggest problem with First Contact is why the Borg stopped there. Why do they keep sending one cube at a time? Next time send a dozen or a hundred.


well because if they do that, unless there's some kind of deus ex machina, the movie ends with the conquest of Earth by the Borg.


kind of a downer ending.
 
The biggest problem with First Contact is why the Borg stopped there. Why do they keep sending one cube at a time? Next time send a dozen or a hundred.


well because if they do that, unless there's some kind of deus ex machina, the movie ends with the conquest of Earth by the Borg.

Yeah, that's the Real Life™ answer but what's the in universe answer? It's plausible for Best of Both Worlds to only send one. Maybe the one in First Contact was bigger/stronger (and had the sphere with the Queen)... but after Data's betrayal and Janeway's agitations in voyager, you'd think the Queen would be fairly upset and itching for revenge.
 
The biggest problem with First Contact is why the Borg stopped there. Why do they keep sending one cube at a time? Next time send a dozen or a hundred.


well because if they do that, unless there's some kind of deus ex machina, the movie ends with the conquest of Earth by the Borg.

Yeah, that's the Real Life™ answer but what's the in universe answer? It's plausible for Best of Both Worlds to only send one. Maybe the one in First Contact was bigger/stronger (and had the sphere with the Queen)... but after Data's betrayal and Janeway's agitations in voyager, you'd think the Queen would be fairly upset and itching for revenge.



yeah, well now you get to the difficulties inherent in introducing a too-powerful villain into a show.

Either you can't use them very often, because having them be defeated repeatedly by a less powerful foe has plausibility issues, OR you still use them a lot but make them less powerful and take away what made them cool in the first place.
 
The trick with the Borg would have been, that like any colonies, you can splatter a million of them and they really don't care, they just keep on coming. Once they "personalized" them they sowed the seeds for their undermining. The individual cubes shouldn't have mattered, but that you kill one and here comes another...that's terrifying.
 
The trick with the Borg would have been, that like any colonies, you can splatter a million of them and they really don't care, they just keep on coming. Once they "personalized" them they sowed the seeds for their undermining. The individual cubes shouldn't have mattered, but that you kill one and here comes another...that's terrifying.

See if they had kept them more insect-like in thinking, the 1 cube at a time almost makes sense: Each cube is a colony of "ants" (Borg) and every so often on of them comes sniffing the Federation's way. What we've seen so far would be the weaker colonies. When the big colonies, the "root" colonies eventually take notice, then we're (the Federation) are just good and f**ked.
 
I didn't appreciate the "death of Captain Kirk" theme in Generations, and Nemesis was a real disappointment as a final installment in the TNG story.
 
It's tough to admit, but ST:TMP is the movie that disappointed me the most. When I first heard of the ST revival I was so excited. My brother got to see the movie first, and he gave me a less than stellar opinion of it. Nonetheless, I watched it a few days later and I actually fell asleep during the endless views of V'Ger's interior. That accompanying monotonous Jerry Goldsmith music score didn't help me stay awake either. I woke up angry that the movie was so deathly void of action. The first words out of my mouth were "C'mon, Star Trek." Thankfully, the later ST movies made up for this initial disappointment.
 
I'll say it again, when Kirk and Spock got on that bus and kicked off for not having exact change was the lowest point imaginable for a trekkie, second only to the latest movie. Groaning is much more preferable than cringing.
 
I'll say it again, when Kirk and Spock got on that bus and kicked off for not having exact change was the lowest point imaginable for a trekkie, second only to the latest movie. Groaning is much more preferable than cringing.


um, yeah......


hilarious comedy was a real low-point for the franchise.
 
I'll say it again, when Kirk and Spock got on that bus and kicked off for not having exact change was the lowest point imaginable for a trekkie, second only to the latest movie. Groaning is much more preferable than cringing.


um, yeah......


hilarious comedy was a real low-point for the franchise.
Yah, the franchise would never to a comedy episode about furry little...

er...

...Well, they never would do a funny episode about '20's gangst...

...Never mind.
 
Yah, the franchise would never to a comedy episode about furry little...

er...

...Well, they never would do a funny episode about '20's gangst...

...Never mind.

...but the franchise would do an episode where Kirk and Spock dance out of step (and slightly out of focus, too).:lol:

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I'll say it again, when Kirk and Spock got on that bus and kicked off for not having exact change was the lowest point imaginable for a trekkie, second only to the latest movie. Groaning is much more preferable than cringing.


um, yeah......


hilarious comedy was a real low-point for the franchise.
Yah, the franchise would never to a comedy episode about furry little...

er...

...Well, they never would do a funny episode about '20's gangst...

...Never mind.


my remark was sarcasm directed at the idea that a wildly successful comedy was a "low point"
 
The Final Frontier was not my least favourite, but it was the most disappointing. It started out with a really cool look at the 23rd century life (rocket boots, marshmallow dispensers, bag dinner) and the way the characters are different than people today, but still the same at the core.
Then it descended into religious allegory and trio focus. Biggest letdown ever.
 
um, yeah......


hilarious comedy was a real low-point for the franchise.
Yah, the franchise would never to a comedy episode about furry little...

er...

...Well, they never would do a funny episode about '20's gangst...



...Never mind.


my remark was sarcasm directed at the idea that a wildly successful comedy was a "low point"


Oh, Star Trek is a comedy. Now I get it. :guffaw:
 
Yah, the franchise would never to a comedy episode about furry little...

er...

...Well, they never would do a funny episode about '20's gangst...



...Never mind.


my remark was sarcasm directed at the idea that a wildly successful comedy was a "low point"


Oh, Star Trek is a comedy. Now I get it. :guffaw:


um well yeah sometimes. (TVH, APOTA, TWT, many Ferengi episodes, etc.)

Other times it's romance. Just depends.
 
TOS wasn't a comedy, neither should the movies have been. Neither is it tits in space but I am willing to make some concessions considering that that was Fred Freiberger's idea of it third season. Even Freiberger didn't like TWT as well he shouldn't.
 
TOS wasn't a comedy, neither should the movies have been. Neither is it tits in space but I am willing to make some concessions considering that that was Fred Freiberger's idea of it third season. Even Freiberger didn't like TWT as well he shouldn't.
One day you'll post something interesting.

Until that day, we'll have to wade through stuff like this.
 
TOS wasn't a comedy, neither should the movies have been. Neither is it tits in space but I am willing to make some concessions considering that that was Fred Freiberger's idea of it third season.

I've heard that Freiberger made that comment to Margaret Armen about ST being "tits in space". If it's true, then I can partially understand how he totally screwed up the 3rd season episodes. Ugh!
 
TOS wasn't a comedy, neither should the movies have been. Neither is it tits in space but I am willing to make some concessions considering that that was Fred Freiberger's idea of it third season. Even Freiberger didn't like TWT as well he shouldn't.
The humour is an integral part of what made TOS successful. It didn't take itself too seriously. And the great thing about Star Trek is that any kind of story can be told within it's framework.
 
Yea, but that wasn't the best thing about it. A Star Trek movie should portray what it's all about and does best, not pander to a more general broader audience.
 
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