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The Misanthope's guide to Enterprise...

I feel that the romance wuld have had a positive efect on the ratings.
Apparently it did, or at least that was the perception because season 3, when the romance was first introduced, was the first ENT season whose final season episode had higher ratings than it's first episode.

Season 4 had the same thing happen but that was an exception because the final season 4 episode was the series ender.
 
Man, my sentence got snipped and I got reamed for it -- my post was "keep being a romantic, Penguin." My sentence was more -- "we may not agree on romance, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be a romantic. Romantics are cool." Uhm, even the band. The moral of this story is -- please never take my sentences out of context. What's the old adage, "No good turn goes unpunished?" Well, I didn't get punished (nastygrams, warnings, etc.), just a written finger shaking. I mean, I thought my romantic views are well known?

The only words I was interested in addressing was "your" and "my." I gave them a lot more context than I needed to in an effort to make my point. I shall endeavor to make my point more clearly this time.

A good number of your posts have played up Archer/T'Pol and taken pot shots at Trip/T'Pol. Similarly, another poster, from the other camp, has championed Trip/T'Pol while cutting down Archer/T'Pol. If you disagree, I will gladly offer example quotes by PM, rather than cluttering up this thread further.

You both get points for civility. But this thread is not about shipper squabbling, or "my" couple vs. "your" couple. It is an analysis of Enterprise as a whole. Since romance plays a small part in the show, there is bound to be a discussion of THE (not "your" or "my" or "their") character relationships, and that's fine. But the shipper-faction comparisons in this thread end here. If you wish to continue, do it elsewhere.

Are we clear?
 
One of my bones of contention about the character is that she so rarely seems to contribute much, especially in her capacity as science officer. Most of the time she seems to be there only to be a Scullyesque character, offering incorrect answers and hypotheses that Archer then ignores (correctly as it almost always turns out).....




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Even during the final mission... what does she do? Travis flies the ship through the dangerous trans-spatial whatnot, Reed battles Xindi soldiers and ships, Hoshi struggles through the pain to give Archer the info to deactivate the weapon, Trip uses the beam (making use of T'Pol's station and equipment to do so, I might add!) and of course Archer is busily blowing up the Xindi Death Star...

Meanwhile, T'Pol sits in the captain's chair and... asks for status updates. Remember that Archer basically never sits in that chair - there's always somewhere more productive for him to be... 'captaining about'. In fact, one of T'Pol's favourite actions in several episodes seems to be 'getting up out of the Captain's chair to show how serious the situation is'.

So anyway, with no studio pressure on me, I'll take my leave for now.

All together now, nice and loud...

"Oh, I've got faaaith in the heaaaarrrrt..."

uh,,,,

let's see the sphere system would not have been destroyed except for the work trip and tpol were doing together. based on tpol's theories.
something addressed at least in a couple of episodes.

as for tpol's advice being bad and archer being correct in ignoring it.

let's see where he would be better off listening to her.

brave new world and future tense are the start of a pretty long list.


In fact, one of T'Pol's favourite actions in several episodes seems to be 'getting up out of the Captain's chair to show how serious the situation is'.

uh again..

i like archer but seriously he does this far more then tpol ever did.
heck i think she copied him.. :lol:
but at least she didnt copy his pacing about the deck.
;)
 
Greetings all.

To begin, with I'll just clarify my point about the Vulcans. I liked the way they acted superior to humanity (because in their eyes, they were superior and that was the only way to see it). The thing I didn't like was how emotional they became, frequently displaying very obvious irritation etc.

As to Trip, T'Pol, Archer etc, I quite agree that most of the writers were simply all at sea when it came to writing for women in general. And I think the idea of them being a triangle, contributing different skills and viewpoints is probably how it should have worked. It's the old Kirk, McCoy, Spock thing after all...

But in practice, that didn't happen too much. Few of the modern writers have ever truly got to grips with Vulcans as a race and T'Pol was no different - the old standbys of having her explore emotions and lose control etc were constantly on hand.

Add in the usual confusion over what to do with a female character and it isn't hard to see why most focused on Archer and Trip's friendship instead (or just on Archer, actually). The need to focus on as few characters in an episode as possible also comes in.

Basically, the less characters you use in any one episode, the more time you have to explore those characters properly. Most episode will be required to have Archer as a prominent character and will have some guest characters who need screen time. Add in the need to explain the plot details and you're starting to get on already.

It's of particular concern in S3, because there was an obvious demand for more action in the show. Each episode contains noticeably more fights, shootouts, ship battles etc. All this eats into time, so there will be a limit to how many characters you can really focus on in any one episode. A lot of the time in S3, it's pretty much just The Johnathan Archer Show'.

All of which leads me nicely into discussing Season Three.
Before I begin, it's probably best to acknowledge once again that many of the decisions taken in this season were being influenced by the studio and the need for more ratings. Annoying as such mandates always are, it's fair enough in a way, because they gave them 2 seasons and if a show doesn't perform, then it must evolve or perish.

It's just sad to reflect that the fixes suggested by studios are usually always to the detriment of the show's original concept. That anything new is squeezed out in favour of the usual sci-fi 'sex n' action' fare. But within that framework, the writers sought to produce something artistically credible and for that, they must be applauded.

However, even after the excellent S2 finale 'The Expanse', there were significant problems to overcome, quite apart from having to accomodate the 'more action, more sex!' calls. And one of the main problems I would say is Voyager's fifth season.

Because much of the build up in 'The Expanse' suggested that the Delphic Expanse would be hellish, haunted territory, full of pirates, strange beings, terrible horrors etc. And from Archer and Trip's conversation, it was obvious that this darkness would be present in the crew also.

But Braga had already done all of that in Voyager S5. He has already used these powerful ideas and images, the ship alone in supernatural waters, mythical beasts etc etc. There would also have been the considerations that a) the Xindi couldn't simply be some demonic style race, as it would be too Babylon 5 and b) how horrific could the Expanse possibly be, given how grim Braga showed most places to be?

But let's see how they got on...

SEASON THREE - EPISODE BY EPISODE:

Episode 01: 'THE XINDI'
So then... this season opening episode had an awful lot to live up to. 'The Expanse' has got people fired up and promised much - if S3 didn't start to deliver right off the bat, then the whole Arc could have fallen flat on its face. Even so however, B+B's decision on how to start the season is unexpected to say the least.

You would have thought there would be a degree of searching, build up etc to when we get to properly see the Xindi and find out what they look like, what they're about. Even DS9 had the false reveal in 'The Search, pt 1', before they showed their hand. But instead, the episode is called 'The Xindi' and we see them straight away!

But in many ways though, this episode feels somewhat similar to DS9's reveal of the Dominion, in that it often feels like it is the second part of a 3 part episode, rather than the start of a 24+ episode arc. Star Trek would often wrap up even the biggest stories in 2 or 3 episodes, so perhaps they were trying to get people to think this would be a similar deal.

And the Interviews have some evidence for this. Rick Berman confirms that whilst they hoped to make it a long running thing, they wondered if it would perhaps only have the legs for half a season.

Whatever the thought, the fact is that it was really too early to be showing us and the Enterprise crew, so much about the Xindi. By the end of this episode we and they both know that the Xindi have 5 different species, they meet a live member of the Xindi and even find the Xindi homeworld! All in the first episode?!

It's hard for me to judge accurately because I came to the set, knowing that the arc lasted all season. For me, this just seemed to be far too much, too soon. If I hadn't know it would be so long running, then I might not have had such objections. Because such information and progression is about what I'd expect from a part 2 of 3 episode.

But what of the episode itself? Is it any good? Well, I think that despite a few flaws, this is a very solid start to the season. It's impressive that B+B manage to juggle mostly sucessfully, the need to impart a lot of information with the needs of an episode that can be watched on its own terms.

Because there is a lot they have to get across in this episode. We need explanations of why the Xindi aren't going to simply send a huge warfleet after them, we need to meet the MACOs, see the new command center, see how Trip and Archer are coping with the mission, learn about Trellium-D properties, see who the Xindi are and learn some facts about them, see what the enviroments are like in the Expanse...

And they manage to cram it all in, whilst still leaving time for some decent character moments, some great visuals and big doses of action. Of course, they can only do so much however and though they pace themselves excellently, much of the events of this episode move along too quickly for it ever to be considered a true classic.

The real problems lie in the story of the Xindi captive and the lack of truly substantial, truly meaty scenes with the main characters.

Let's take the latter first. 'The Xindi' includes many excellent little moments with the main characters, most of which are very promising. Archer's irritable behaviour with Reed at the start, Reed's animosity toward the MACOs, Trip's Nightmare etc.

But whilst they are interesting and lodge themselves in the mind immediatly as things we'd like to know more about, the episode is already marching with a 'No time, no time!' attitude. It's click, click, click of the fingers, with a new idea and story thread every couple of seconds.

Now some of that is fine, because although most of these threads are ostensibly resolved at the end of the episode, it does set up later episodes with plenty of things to be explored further.

But as far as this episode is concerned, it gives a sense of scale and lots of things happening, at the expense of anything we can hold onto right now. The characters seem to buzz by each other, barely hanging around long enough to talk, before they are needed elsewhere.

Matters seem to reach premature conclusions. Reed's anger is almost instantly tempered when he sees the MACOs in action, Trip's spellbinding nightmare and new darker, grittier outlook is undercut with comedy and the release of intimate contact with another, before he (and we) have had the chance to explore this new darkness.

As for the Xindi they meet, his character is given so little screen time and dialogue not directly pertinent to the plot, that he may as well have a keypad on his chest and a placard saying 'Press 1 for info on Xindi culture, press 2 for co-ordinates to Xindi homeworld...'

It seems to be implied that he is pretty much the same level of scum as the rest of the compound (not as violent perhaps, but just as untrustworthy). But that when faced with death, he does the right thing for those who tried to save him. And his presence is intended to confound expectations of what a Xindi is (i.e not a bloodthirsty or colh hearted monster) etc.

But he is simply around too little for any of this to have much impact. These are important themes however, as the idea of things not being what they look like or you expected or things being exactly what they look like and you expected, will recur again and again throughout the season. (The episode ends with a shot of the Insectoid fulfilling the role of dastardly enemy which its appearence suggests, for example).

All of which suggest the episode isn't much cop, but that isn't the case. B+B do manage to impart the sense of unease and doom on the ship very well. The mining colony is great also, because whilst it seems like something that could be anywhere, it looks superbly decaying and hellishly toxic and disgusting.

The scene where they are scaling the vent is very good. The onrushing 'hellfire; of the plasma, imparts a real 'up towards heaven, down towards hell' feel. And their decision that 'it's easier to go down' foreshadows the often morally suspect territory they will enter later in the season.

Special mention must also go the foreman, played with such diabolic gusto. Hacking and spluttering, trading in people's lives like they're nothing, tossing about severed fingers, the actor is clearly having a great time. And with his appallingly dusty and rotten office and the comically huge speaker he uses for his singularly unconvincing creeping lies to T'Pol, he's a delightfully loathsome creation.

And there's good stuff throughout most of the episode. Some awkward exposition scenes at the start aside, most of the actors from the main cast, the guests and the Xindi council all get into the swing of things nicely.

The locations and performances match up beautifully. The foreman and his office, the scheming, bickering Xindi in their 'conference room of stately evil', the harrowing scenes of Trip trying to warn his sister as the beam burns a path towards her... It's great stuff and the Nightmare sequence is classic Braga.

The MACOs get a good intro too, with a suitably bone crunching fight scene. Battle sequences have the tendency to go very wrong and look extremely poor, but I thought this one was done very well. The foreman and his goons had 'we need to be killed' written all over them and it's actually rare for Star Trek to allow such people to get quite the beating they deserve. But no reasoning and bargaining here - just good old fashioned beatings.

Which just leaves the neuro pressure... Well what do you think I thought about that? I think that without the irritatingly heavy handed way it was executed, it might have been okay. Make it meditation and a series of relaxing postures that don't require so much obvious titilation. And Trip should definately have been brewing his anger for longer before this whole thing started anyway (which like many of these storylines, they unresolve and reset so they can use them again as needed).

Ultimately, this is a very enjoyable episode that is undone largely by its identity crisis over whether it is part 2 of 3 or part 1 of 24. Without the visit to the Xindi homeworld at the end, time would have been freed up to explore each facet of the episode in more detail. It also would have lessened the need to 'resolve' many of the issues too quickly.

But it has great visuals, entertaining performances, good action and basically gets you nicely warmed up for the season. There is definately more energy and purpose about it then in previous seasons and although it tries to include too much, the stuff it does include is mostly all very interesting (and so is revisited and not just abandoned as the season progresses which sometimes happens).

So in conclusion, this was pretty good. The Xindi could have been a huge disappointment, but they seem interesting and intriguingly dastardly albeit with their own take on things which promises they will be more than simply 'an evil race being evil'.

So how much out of 5 then?

Well, the neuro pressure should probably lose it a half mark, but the way Berman and Braga were able to handle all the various issues that needed to be addressed, any one of which if mishandled could have ended the season before it began, was impressive enough for me to let it go.

Above all else, I like to feel that people are trying and the spirit with which they attack the huge challenge of saving the show under trying circumstances was so heartening to see.

'The Xindi' gets 3.5 out of 5 from me.

So that's it for the first review. I've worn myself out for the time being, so I'll have to pick up on the other things you've been discussing that I have an opinion on, tomorrow.

Until then, I will leave you with my famed escapology trick. If I don't escape from The Chamber of Excruciatingly Sharp Knives by this time tomorrow... call an ambulence... quickly.
 
As to Trip, T'Pol, Archer etc, I quite agree that most of the writers were simply all at sea when it came to writing for women in general. And I think the idea of them being a triangle, contributing different skills and viewpoints is probably how it should have worked. It's the old Kirk, McCoy, Spock thing after all...

But in practice, that didn't happen too much.
To the extent that they did capture that Big Three vibe, I really did enjoy it. Those were some of my favorite moments.

The scene where they are scaling the vent is very good. The onrushing 'hellfire; of the plasma, imparts a real 'up towards heaven, down towards hell' feel. And their decision that 'it's easier to go down' foreshadows the often morally suspect territory they will enter later in the season.
I love little writing touches like this.

Special mention must also go the foreman, played with such diabolic gusto. Hacking and spluttering, trading in people's lives like they're nothing, tossing about severed fingers, the actor is clearly having a great time. And with his appallingly dusty and rotten office and the comically huge speaker he uses for his singularly unconvincing creeping lies to T'Pol, he's a delightfully loathsome creation.
You have to hand it to this show--the way they took such care with a swing set and a guest actor, but went the distance and gave us something really first-rate. Great crew and casting.

The foreman and his goons had 'we need to be killed' written all over them
:lol: My favorite line in your review. And yes, great stunt work too.

If I had to pick a favorite season, it would be this one. I think, for better or worse, this is going to be an interesting thread for a while. Albeit a roller-coaster. Put on your seat belts, everyone...
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To begin, with I'll just clarify my point about the Vulcans. I liked the way they acted superior to humanity (because in their eyes, they were superior and that was the only way to see it). The thing I didn't like was how emotional they became, frequently displaying very obvious irritation etc.

Bingo. When the Vulcan was superior, the show was more enjoyable. I think her journey for emotions is a Data, Seven, etc. cop out.

And Trip should definately have been brewing his anger for longer before this whole thing started anyway (which like many of these storylines, they unresolve and reset so they can use them again as needed).

Bingo. I wanted to feel sorry for Trip, but I didn't.
 
^ Didn't we have this conversation before? I don't hate Trip, but I'm frequently disappointed with the directions they took the character. Enterprise is rare in that I like pretty much all the characters. I probably feel about Trip as you do about Archer.

His sister, that we never met, elicits very little sympathy to me. I do feel bad in Expanse, but instead of continuing with that -- as Sadistro right pointed out -- they just had him mope around rather than help us identify some bad stuff has happened to him.
 
I probably feel about Trip as you do about Archer.
You feel that Trip is a sexually repressed, semi-competent hothead? But why?

His sister, that we never met, elicits very little sympathy to me. I do feel bad in Expanse, but instead of continuing with that -- as Sadistro right pointed out -- they just had him mope around rather than help us identify some bad stuff has happened to him.
Good point. I agree.
 
Hello hello.

Chris Black does at least revisit the Elizabeth story late into the season. It's a good episode and one of the better Trip episodes of the season. A bit late in the day though to be frank!

Not a hell of a lot of time today, but I'll make the time to stick this review down. I'll be putting them up when I can, but these things have to come at their own pace or it can feel too much like work!

So it's a big read again, unfortunately. Or you could just do what everyone does with reviews and look at the score... but you wouldn't do that, would you?

Episode 2 - 'ANOMALY'.
Mike Sussman's first foray into the season, sees him parted from his usual writing partner, Phyllis Strong. Nice to see the team shaking things up and trying new things, but I'm not sure leaving Sussman on his own was a smart move.

Not because he's a poor writer - he has many fine qualities. But I felt he needed someone who would keep him focused, keep his scripts rattling along, because they frequently move far too slowly and lose themselves in minutae.

His commentaries reveal him to have a very fussy, nit-picking nature, and he seems to 'sweat the details' far too much. Equally nit-picking fans would probably love him for this, but many of his episodes get bogged down as he tries to explain everything and iron out any possible problems people could have with the stories' continuity, plot etc.

You can imagine him sitting bolt upright in bed at all hours of the morning thinking 'My God, I didn't say how they got item X and people are bound to ask why not - where's the laptop, where's the laptop?!'

As such, he frequently fails to pace his episodes properly, arriving at Act breaks before he is ready; wasting huge chunks of time on sequences that could be explained in conversation or quick montage reels etc.

You have to admire his dedication to getting things right, and showing us something is always preferable to telling us something, because visuals pack more of an impact. In a perfect world, all writers would be so diligent and have enough time in their shows to fully flesh out their ideas.

But in a 45 minute show, you have to be careful or you end up (as he frequently does) with episodes that end abruptly or have no time to explore important plot points. Given his desire to always show the full cast doing stuff and contributing (again, very laudable) and the new need for more action (not his first choice in any of his previous episodes really), I'm not sure it was wise to let him go it alone.

'Anomaly' can therefore be considered 'classic' Sussman. He does his usual excellent good of giving a sense of scale and weight to the episode in the deliberate attention to detail in atmosphere and inclusion of the full crew.

The scene where the MACOs are getting ready to board the alien craft is a good example - they are incidental characters, but the dialogue is natural and makes it seem like they are people who exist outside of the scene. (This is especially good as you get the feeling that Sussman doesn't himself really care for the MACOs very much - it's no accident his name is credited on the only episode where they are the enemies).

And for the first half, two thirds, all goes well. As usual he sucks you in with a very closely controlled and reasonable sequence of events, giving characters space and building up and executing the pirate raid very well. The brig sequences with the prisoner are also very interesting, as intense confrontations are one of the things he does best (as a writer, he's all about the passion and fire inside people).

He's helped along by the directing of David Straiton, who was one of those directors who seemed more plugged into the show than many others. You can tell when a director is interested, because they try more ambitious shots and find better ways to grip you than just taking the veteran TV directors 'This is the most cost effective - i.e boring - way to do it'.

The actual premise of the episode is alright, if a bit familiar at times. Sussman seems to think the idea of pirates in Trek is a new one, apparently forgetting that a similar thing happened in 'Fortunate Son' and 'Acquisition', not to mention that Braga has already covered the more savage and truthful depiction of pirates (airlock torture and all) in Voyager's 'Equinox'.

But whilst it may not be new exactly, it is handled very well. Robert Rusler gives a nicely understated performance as the unrepentant corsair, demonstrating again to B5 viewers, that he really deserved better treatment in that show (but was unfortunate enough to be a tool in JMS' war with the studio, cut loose the second they backed off).

But it's good stuff, because the pirates' bemusement at Archer's threats, enable us to see how the weight of the mission is really affecting our hero. Can he really get it done, when the time comes, will he really be able to do whatever it takes like he said? He has been essentially a man of peace, took great pride in humanity's strides in that area...

But this mission may call for some unsavoury tactics and hearing the prisoner essentially tell him that he just hasn't got what it takes... Bad move there Rob, bad move... As I said, it's a fairly understated scene, but all the better for it really.

Archer's irritability starts to boil over as the episode progresses, because he is faced with the fact that in trying to help people, he has been betrayed and let down yet again, but also that he is being mocked for it. It continues to wear on him; the feeling that he could fail, like his dream of peaceful exploration failed.

So what's the problem then? All sounds pretty great, doesn't it? Well, it's the second half of the episode where things start to unravel. The discovery of the sphere is eerily fascinating, but even after T'Pol explains it may be behind the distortion waves, they don't seem much interested in it. They barely explore it and just leave it, even though trying to do something about it to stop the distortion would seem to be a much better move.

The whole idea of the spheres and the sphere makers is a powerful and interesting thread that never gets decent attention though - this is simply the first instance of it. Sussman simply doesn't have the time in his episode to impart much mystique or any kind of proper atmosphere to the sphere, despite the fact that with its sinister outer look and initial sweeping view of the interior, we blatantly wanted to know and see more of it!

The resolution of the pirate story is also very poor really. The story just starts to fall apart when the whole 'hacking into their computers' thing surfaces. The story has been about whether Archer would not show mercy etc, would act savagely if he needed to.

And yes, the torture scene is a good example of that, but the final battle with the bandits is not. The plot in fact requires him to 'not' fire at the bandits. It demonstrates the grit needed to take punishment to get what they need, but that is something else really from what the episode has been talking about.

It would have worked if T'Pol, Trip etc had been questioning the danger he was putting the ship in for this database. Particularly when the bandit ship is pummelling them, there should have been some tension on the bridge over whether it was really worth this kind of risk.

This whole final ship battle just feels wrong somehow. The artificial danger created by their suddenly inaccurate phase cannons that force them to take a beating for the database, is a lazy cop-out. The question of whether they would go onto the enemy ship and conduct their own piracy also curiosuly doesn't come up.

Because after all, their ship would be of great interest, as it is safe from the distortion effects. Taking their trellium would have been a good test of where Archer was at. They know full well how dangerous the distortions are - is Archer really that happy leaving yet another source behind, as he did on the mining colony? It doesn't seem like a particularly percentage move to me.

Like I say, it's this lack of development of what you would imagine would be important issues that's the real problem. The pirates killed a man when they boarded. But no-one seems much bothered by the fact that Archer just lets him and his cronies go.

These are self confessed pirates and murderers who show no mercy to their victims and murdered a crewmember of Enterprise. And the crew would be fine, just letting them go? Did the dead crewman have no friends who felt compelled to ask for some kind of justice?!

Because even if the answer is 'we have a mission, we don't have time for scum like this', it at least should have come up. But there is no time for any of that; in fact there is barely time for Archer and the prisoner to speak at all at the end. It's a case of 'well, see ya then'.

The issue of Archer's use of torture is also curiously uninteresting news to the crew. Reed does (very half heartedly) question the torture Archer uses. But no-one really asks him about it or worries over its use etc, the fact that it isn't like him to do something like that.

And these are all things that Sussman would usually be tinkering and fretting over - so much so that he revisits the idea of questioning the captain in 'Hatchery', presumably trying to make amends for not focusing on it here. Together with the extremely lightly touched upon Sphere, it just shows that Sussman was managing his time very poorly.

This is when you start to feel that the time spent hunting around in the alien craft at the start of the episode start was an unnecessary waste of 5+ minutes, as it accomplishes very little really. They got some nice, spooky shots and all, but of what real relevance was it to the episode?

It could have been covered by 'We finished our search of the ship Captain, no survivors... this and this happened'. Less visually exciting maybe, but it leaves you time to grapple with important issues later.

As it is, this episode presents many interesting areas for exploration, but does not satisfactorily resolve any of them. It has many fine visuals and the dialogue and atmosphere is great, until Sussman runs out of time. Basically he is too meticulous in the first half when it matters less, that he cannot apply that same level of detail when it really counts.

Nevertheless, it still manages to be a mostly enjoyable watch. After all, Sussman's slower paced, thoughtful work is a glimpse into how shallow most of today's ultra 'attention deficit disorder' media is. It shouldn't be a crime to want things to make sense, to want things to play out realistically, but with only 45 minutes and the need to provide thrills and action, something has to give and he doesn't want it to...

And in a way, he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, but I'll save that for when I talk about 'Twilight'.

But anyway, what about a score?
Well, it's a fairly good episode for the most part. It wastes far too much time on unnecessary detail, but there is more than enough interesting bits and pieces to keep you watching. It's worth it just for such sequences as the final shot of Archer, his face covered in Xindi symbols that suggest his growing obsession and the threat of transformation into a monster.

It gets 3 out of 5 from me. Sussman still needed to learn how to make a decently paced episode. The trick was how to keep the things he did so well, with producing more complete episodes.

And there we are. I'll probably give myself a few days off before continuing; make sure my pacing is correct! There are still other issues to discuss and these knock the wind out of me! I don't even have the strength to show you my latest trick...

Oh go on then. Pick a card... any card...
 
Whoa, 2000+ words long post! Boy, you really love writing about this stuff, don't you?
But I gotta give it to you, Sadistro, you sure can write (or I wouldn't still be reading this thread, would I?)
 
The issue of Archer's use of torture is also curiously uninteresting news to the crew. Reed does (very half heartedly) question the torture Archer uses. But no-one really asks him about it or worries over its use etc, the fact that it isn't like him to do something like that.

Another winner. Apparently, he did have a scene where a couple of the crew question what was happening and start to see Archer in a whole new light. That was cut. Shame.

It's especially shameful because there's not much questioning in later episodes when Archer continues to act strangely. Nor is there any questioning T'Pol, who is also acting oddly.
 
I think Harbinger was the first time I said: something's not right. I think it's also why I'm disappointed in Trip who *really* should've known.
 
Commodore64.

This from a male viewpoint:

When a beautiful woman lays a passionate kiss on you and then drops her robe to reveal that she is naked underneath and again lays a passionate kiss on you. For me I would follow her in to the bed and it would be play time.

As it has been said "A Standing .... has no conscious (sp)"

But then again I am easy but don't let it get around.
 
I think Harbinger was the first time I said: something's not right. I think it's also why I'm disappointed in Trip who *really* should've known.
When a beautiful woman lays a passionate kiss on you and then drops her robe to reveal that she is naked underneath and again lays a passionate kiss on you. For me I would follow her in to the bed and it would be play time.
Deja vu? Are we about to have this discussion all over again? Of course, I already made it clear that I find the idea of 'jealousy in a face of competition" being a symptom of drug abuse and/or mental illness, completely ridiculous.

Some people keep forgetting that, while trying to suppress the emotions they undoubtedly do have, Vulcans are not empty shells. Hence the "Koon-ut-kal-if-fee" an all that stuff. I mean, why would any non emotional person refuse to marry their betrothed? What could possibly be their motivation, if not emotion?

And what about T'Pring? Was she a crackhead too, for wanting to marry someone she desired instead of someone she was supposed to?

Logic is, as a wise dude once said, only the beginning of wisdom, and sometimes the needs of one outweigh the needs of many.

And to quote a certain Vulcan master, who, after admitting to having emotions said: "Emotions can be a powerful tool. To deny their existence is illogical." (I suppose he was a crackhead too).
 
one problem about archer not being questioned about his tatics is that for awhile only a junior officer is there to witness it.,
malcolm and the other armoury officer only come in toward the end.

trip actually starts to talk to archer about how he is doing, right after trip brings up his concerns about the crew in general but they are interupted by tpol.

as for elizabeth she comes up more often then a lot of people seem to remember with the memory of her playing a big part in similitude.

anomaly for me is the strongest episode until we get to twilight and after that the episodes were manny started to play a bigger part.

one thing i liked about how it is almost the dark twin of fight or flight.
and i think we are supposed to remember that earlier episode because we are supposed to be aware the archer of the past wouldnt have just gone aboard the other ship just to find out information.

the first hints of the determined driven dark archer arise even before the torture scene.

and yeah there is a sense that the universe is mocking him and the mission until the end of the episode.
especially when the coffee cup flips up in the air and freezes.
i really like how scott plays it in trying to at fist ignore but not being able to.
and of course for awhile the very laws of physics even mocks them.

oh yeah we later learn they took detailed scans of the sphere.. something that comes into play later on.
 
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How the heck did we get from an analysis of "Anomaly" to "Harbinger"?

Didn't we have this conversation before?

Deja vu? Are we about to have this discussion all over again?
I'm sensing a pattern here.

If there's something y'all have hashed out before, how about you take whatever baggage you're toting and leave it outside the door, and focus on the subject at hand, mmmkay?

Back on topic:

Reading through the review of "Anomaly" makes me remember back when TV episodes were 50 minutes long instead of 43. Think of all the plot that could have been squeezed into those seven lost minutes. *sigh*

Great analysis of Archer and his disillusionment, and how he realizes what he is facing. And I loved that final shot as well.
 
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How the heck did we get from an analysis of "Anomaly" to "Harbinger"?
This is how:
Nor is there any questioning T'Pol, who is also acting oddly.
I'm curious, Commodore. At what point did you notice that something was weird about her?
I think Harbinger was the first time I said: something's not right. I think it's also why I'm disappointed in Trip who *really* should've known.
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I'm sensing a pattern here.
Quick, someone call Olivia Dunham! :lol:

Back on topic
I thought the topic was "The Misanthope's guide to Enterprise..." or "A guy who hates people tells fans what they failed to notice about Enterprise."
When it comes to on/off topic, isn't this an "anything goes" kind of thread?

The issue of Archer's use of torture is also curiously uninteresting news to the crew. Reed does (very half heartedly) question the torture Archer uses. But no-one really asks him about it or worries over its use etc, the fact that it isn't like him to do something like that.
Mission failure = extermination of mankind. Torture is a disgusting thing, but when the survival of an entire human race is at stake, not even torturing Bamby and his mom sounds all that unthinkable (okay, I can't believe I just typed this, but I hope you get my point).
 
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