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The Misanthope's guide to Enterprise...

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I thought the topic was "The Misanthope's guide to Enterprise..." or "A guy who hates people tells fans what they failed to notice about Enterprise."
Looking over Sadistro's first couple of posts, this appears to be an analysis of Enterprise with a focus on the thematic style of showrunner Brannon Braga. Perhaps not a full-on misanthrope (I think even Sadistro might even have questioned that initial label, but I can't recall exactly), but certainly a pessimist.

From this post:

[Braga is]"...an innately pessimistic writer...who tries to find hope and encouragement in what he feels is a very hostile and unsettling life....He is showing that bad things really do happen to good people, and asks what we are supposed to think about that.

Braga does put in the chance for hope and redemption, but the bulk of his episodes are often taken up with horrific imagery, despair and misery. He wants life and people to be better, but communicates his belief that all too often, you will be disappointed waiting for it.

When it comes to on/off topic, isn't this an "anything goes" kind of thread?
I wouldn't say that. This thread would turn into a train wreck pretty quickly if it free-associated without any boundaries. Right now we have a stated objective by the OP of looking at the episodes of Season 3, one by one.

A certain amount of topic drift is to be expected, within limits. But when you yourselves acknowledge that you're rehashing over old arguments, there's no need to dredge it up again if the question has already been asked and answered. Or if you want to go another round, start a new thread and have at it.

I see no need for every thread to devolve into a "Harbinger" bitchfest, or a fight over whether Trip hung the moon or not, or yet another "Archer sux!!1!!" harangue. If that's your deal, open up your own thread and go there whenever you feel the need to vent. Unless, of course, it's relevant to the current topic.
 
2000 words? I laugh in the face of 2000 words! :D

Having a bit of a rest today, but there is some ground we can cover...

I'm not saying the torture scene shouldn't have been in there, because I agree that they needed to make sure people understood that 'We'll do whatever it takes' isn't quite as uplifting and heroic as it first sounds.

The point is that it would have been nice for the crew to have the argument. Even if it isn't resolved (i.e Archer fails to convince them of the necessity), at least it would be there, to be picked up later.

But not mentioning it at all, makes it seem like it's just fine with them. Having strands like this reappear later in the season is fine. But there needs to be some immediate indications of how the crew and characters are reacting.

Similarly, it's all well and good saying they took their scans of the Spheres, but it still doesn't make up for how uninterested they seem in it, given that it seems to be connected to the Distortions. The Distortion waves are a huge concern, accouting for the horrifice disfiigurement of nearly all crews who have passed into The Expanse before them!

But again, it's not because I think Mike Sussman just hadn't thought of these things. Indeed, I find it hard to believe he can watch any of his episodes, for anxiety over all the things he didn't have time to explain properly.

I'm just saying it wouldn't have taken long to give a few lines of dialogue about some of the more obvious and important omissions; just to let us know that they were on it and would get round to it later (because they did).

I think 'Anomaly' is a strong episode in many respects with loads of strong ideas and visuals. But it's that poor use of time and pacing that undoes it, leaving it with a half-finished feel and badly thought out 'tacked-on action sequence' at the end.

As to the title of the thread, it was pretty much in reference to Braga, yes. And I do think there is a deep disatisfaction in Braga, over how the world is sometimes. But Misanthropes usually interact fine with other people, taking them as they find them - it's the broader view that dismays them.

With his 'anti-cool' heroes and generally sober outlook on things, it marks the show out as being something he wanted to use to say things about the human condition with, not just produce a bit of entertaining but lightweight, 'space adventures' fluff.

I find it fascinating to look at a work and see what it says about the person who wrote it. It also helps when interpreting obscure scenes with muddled messages, to get to what the writer was probably driving at.

Anyway, next up (either tomorrow or Monday I should think), we'll have 'Extinction' by Andre Bormanis. Bormanis is a frustrating writer to me, because I agree with a lot of his themes and interests, but his output on 'Enterprise' is often very hit and miss.

But I like the seriousness that underlies his episodes. His stories are always concerned with facing the consequences of your actions. He puts in tough choices and allows characters time to reflect on the merit/demerit of those choices. The things we can do, should do, against what we mustn't do, shouldn't have done etc.

It's particularly interesting because he is so concerned with the idea of absolute conviction. His episodes often call for actors who can deliver dialogue telling that at the time, they truly believe what they are doing is the best thing, that their way is or was the only way. Or on the flipside, he has people question their belief; wonder if they are doing the right thing.

A good example would be Archer's self doubt in 'Silent Enemy'. He considers that though at the time in 'Broken Bow', he truly thought returning Klang to the Klingons was the best solution all round, he now feels he pushed them out here before they were ready, before they could defend themselves.

And something like 'The Communicator' shows that even the smallest failing can have the most severe consequences as the situation escalates and escalates to the point where they are nearly executed, all because they didn't take care with one little commincator.

Add in his love of exploring trust and betrayal and you have a writer that I desperately wanted to see kick on to great things. Because with strong themes like that, he was often only a small step away from some truly great episodes.

After some 'good, but not quite' episodes on Voyager, I had hoped he had turned the corner with the excellent 'Silent Enemy'. And yet... but like I said, it'll have to wait a few days.

Until then, I can only echo Hopeful R's comment about shows not being 50 minutes anymore. Some shows do get longer and squander the time shamefully. Enterprise could really have used that extra time (I'm sure Sussman would have been backflipping down the hall).

Oh, and I think Pookha's assertion that 'Anomaly' is the strongest episode until 'Twilight' is a bit harsh. Chris Black in particular was a fine writer, who really seemed to take to the Xindi arc.

But there'll be time for all that when I get to one of Black's episodes, I guess...

So until then, it's all eyes on Andre...
 
2000 words? I laugh in the face of 2000 words! :D
Y'know, Sad, your long posts are way too easy to get lost in, and searching for something you said a while back is damn near impossible. (Maybe I'll start using the "search" function to get around this thread soon. :lol: ) Even so, I'm enjoying all this in-depth analysis. :) And I agree, knowing more about the writers enlightens one about their work, and vice versa.

But again, it's not because I think Mike Sussman just hadn't thought of these things. Indeed, I find it hard to believe he can watch any of his episodes, for anxiety over all the things he didn't have time to explain properly.
Kind of like actors who can't watch their work because all they would see is what they would want to do differently, rather than what they did well. Going to dailies with him must have been an adventure.

With his 'anti-cool' heroes and generally sober outlook on things, it marks the show out as being something he wanted to use to say things about the human condition with, not just produce a bit of entertaining but lightweight, 'space adventures' fluff.
Yes, I was surprised to see these idealistic, enthusiastic go-getter explorers start where they did, and arrive at that scene in "The Expanse" where Archer and Trip are drinking and ruminating about how disillusioned they are. But I wasn't disappointed in the show. The "bad things happen to good people" theme, explored with these good people, was realistic, and thought-provoking, and quite involving (for me, anyway).

After some 'good, but not quite' episodes on Voyager, I had hoped [Bormanis] had turned the corner with the excellent 'Silent Enemy'. And yet... but like I said, it'll have to wait a few days.
Ha! I remember something you said about "Extinction"... ;)
 
.Oh, and I think Pookha's assertion that 'Anomaly' is the strongest episode until 'Twilight' is a bit harsh. Chris Black in particular was a fine writer, who really seemed to take to the Xindi arc.
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bah normally chris black was one of my fav enterprise writers but there are parts of shipment i just cant stand.

back to a second on anomaly..

T'POL: The sphere's emitting massive amounts of gravimetric energy. It may have something to do with the spatial anomalies

i dont think it was they didnt want to try and stop the anomalies.
but rather at the time they didnt understand just what was going on at that time.

i suspect that one sphere wasnt even one of the key ones. so even if they did try and do something it might had much affect.

as for bormanis.
silent enemies is one of my favorite episodes but with andre you just never knew what you were going to get.
 
I don't think any of us are disputing that there are sound reasons for why they would leave the Sphere without exploring it fully, Pookha. The point is that we shouldn't have to come up with these reasons ourselves! Just a few lines to explain their thinking on the matter in 'Anomaly' would have been enough.

And I've only watched 'The Shipment' once so far, but I remember enjoying it very much. We'll see when we get there.

Anyway... nothing up my sleeves. Oh wait, there's something... It's...

EPISODE 3 - 'EXTINCTION'.
So let's get cracking. By episode 3, the staff needed to make some choices in terms of how they were going to deal with Archer's growing obsession and how to try and keep the box lid open on the season to let new viewers in.

By open lid, I am referring to the fact that Star Trek usually hits the reset button at the end of every episode to a greater or lesser degree, so that new viewers or people that missed previous episodes don't get so confused that they switch right off again.

Season 3 had the potential to become a 'closed lid' season. By that I mean you take the characters on a very definate journey, telling one big story (like Babylon 5 for example). This always pleases hardcore fans greatly, as it allows rich and deep exploration of characters, a sense of real progression, stories to chew over, speculate on etc.

So they are locked in to the show - the lid is closed. But by the same token, no-one new can get in, because they won't understand what is going on. Unless you saw 'The Expanse' for example, it would probably be hard to understand just how crucial the situation was, because again, seeing things happen has much more impact than being told it has happened.

So when Bormanis comes to write 'Extinction', we have Archer slipping away from the crew, torturing people for information, spending all his time poring over Xindi files etc. Trip likewise would be easy to distance from the rest of the crew if his rage at the Xindi was also focused on. It would easy to set them on a spiralling course over an arc of say a half dozen episodes at least.

And to an extent, this is what they wanted. Scott Bakula makes it very clear in his interviews, that he wanted this season to be one that rewarded the fans of the show. He wanted to give them a big, dynamic season. And yet the show would be taking a big risk by simply trying to hold onto what it had, rather than reaching out to new viewers.

So the decision was clearly taken that they needed to rein Archer in to a more stable state for the time being. The trick would be not to lose his new obsession completely - just not allow it to overwhelm the storylines (as he is the main character and if something big is happening to him, every writer will have to address it in every episode that it continues).

There were several other things that needed to be done. The Xindi needed to be at least referenced to keep the ongoing plot lively, but more importantly, T'Pol and Trip needed to start proving why they were vital to this mission. The two most senior officers below Archer, neither had had much of a 'saves the day' role yet in this season.

So with these things in mind, Bormanis got to work and to be fair to him, the opening ten minutes or so are pretty ace. The basic plot idea is easy to dismiss in light of some of the execution, but was I think, an excellent way to progress the story from 'Anomaly'.

At the end of that episode, we saw Archer alone in the darkened command centre, Xindi glyphs washing hypnotically over him and the strong indication was he was in danger of becoming the enemy he was seeking. So to have an episode where he actually *does* change into something that appears at first to be monstrous, was a clever idea.

It's particularly good, because Bormanis wisely has Archer still in the command centre, looking throughly bedraggled but wild eyed. The implication being that we had a week off, but he's been right there all this time.

To appreciate this scene however, it's necessary to take into account the preceding one with Trip and T'Pol. Now... this is awkward because I consider this to be a very good scene, given what the limitations of it are. However you dress it up, you still have a senior female officer giving a massage and acting as a kind of therapist to the men - hardly empowering stuff.

But if you take it for what it is, this is about as good as you could ask for. Bormanis is always big on trust and betrayal and this scene exudes a charming, warm sense of trust that takes the titilation factor out of the equation. Despite her reservations, she accepts his hokey peace offering and he trusts that she will not hurt him, that she knows what she's doing.

The neuro pressure is not played up for sexual sniggers so much here and when you see the utterly peaceful look on Trip's face, you can see that for all the reservations we may have over the neuro pressure angle, it is helping him to ease his miseries.

This scene is important because it helps to inform T'Pol's handling of Archer in the command center. Once again 'the gentle touch' is required. When he aplogises for getting her up, she says 'I wasn't asleep', which on one hand may suggest embarrassment over what she was doing, but also contains a distinct but understated note of 'And you're *still* awake and in here, I see.'

She has to be careful how she goes about tackling this. Anyone can see Archer is close to the edge with how he's acting, but confronting him when he hasn't done anything actively dangerous or ill considered would be counter-productive. Like with the neuro pressure, it could cause paralysis - if Archer was made to feel he no longer had the confidence of his crew and senior ofiicers.

So Bormanis does a wonderful job here of showing what T'Pol brings to this mission - a logical mind, a sane approach, considered reasoning but with intelligence to know not to push (or rather when to push). And in another Bormanis staple, Bakula does a good job of showing that he is utterly convinced of the need to get down there and investigate.

So far, so good then. And the intial sweep of the surface goes fairly well too. But then... oh dear. After some decent special effects to show the transformation, the episode suddenly takes a nose dive. Although the change into 'monsters' is briefly interesting, LeVar Burton's direction is not skilled enough to make it seem real. It quickly looks like what it is - the cast in silly wigs leaping about and twitching.

And let's face it - it's pretty cringeworthy, isn't it? Scott Bakula is no stranger to having to apply himself to a mutiplicity of very different roles (Quantum Leap required him to be very different every week). But this perfomance is one he would like to forget, I would imagine. And the physical acting is pretty much what you would expect, but without anything that really brings it to life, that makes you really believe they are this new race.

However, the fact is that this is an extremely difficult role to be asked to play. Such roles are also usually much easier if you only have to do physical acting with no real speech. The guy in the teaser for example is much more convincing because all he has to do is look scared and feral.

Michael Piller made the point that the episode 'Darmok' for TNG had been kicked around for ages and ages before Joe Menosky shut himself away and had a real crack at it. And even then the show is credited with suceeding largely because of the guest actor who turned in one of those genius performances you sometimes get.

But that's what would have been required in a role like this. It was either going to be breathtaking or quite silly and unfortunately, it ended up being the latter. I would also suggest that Bormanis' technical mind (as science consultant, he gravitates to objective, sober characters) would find it very annoying that what was in his head, was probably not what ended up on the screen.

Because in his head, he likely saw an interesting journey of the tragic noble savage, imagined the range of emotions it would feel trying to get home and then rage, thinking it's race had been exterminated. In 'The Communicator', I imagine he saw the final scene as they were about to be executed a powerful, defiant moment in his head...

But it's out of his hands, because he isn't a director and he isn't the actors. This must be very frustrating because it's like dictating a portrait you'd like to see to an artist. As good as the artist is, he probably won't get it exactly how you saw it in your head. So when these things come out badly, I imagine it must be extremely irritating to someone used to dealing in right and wrong answers.

Although I don't know if he had a hand in the casting process at all, I also think he must have made suggestions or at least wrote 'get someone good to play this part!' on the script for certain of his characters. Because he calls for such powerful conviction and persuasion (and the dangers of those) in much of his dialogue.

Look at episodes like 'Desert Crossing', 'Awakening' and 'The Aenar' and you see time and again, he needs people to deliver speeches where they must appear to have absolute faith in what they are saying. Clancy Brown adopts a rather silly accent in DC, but he is known for his strong, authoritative voice and intensity, which he uses to portray a terrorist who knows without question, that his cause is a just one.

Brian Thompson from 'The Aenar' also, despite his ogrish looks, has a wonderfully strong and intelligent sounding voice that convinces us that the apparently dastardly Romulan is simply doing what he truly believes must be done.

In 'Extinction', he has Roger Cross as the leader of the aliens. Cross is another actor who can easily convey great moral authority in his roles, to sway viewers to his side. His perfomance is pretty by the numbers however in this episode, reinforcing the 'good idea that just didn't work on the day' feel. I suspect his rather silly red costume didn't encourage him to put much effort in though...

It's hard to look past the shortcomings, because once the main storyline starts up, very few the scenes really come off as well as you'd hope. A lot of backwards and forwards to the ship with Trip seems just to waste time more than anything else and none of T'Pol's scenes where she tries to reason with Archer really strike home.

The episode simply lacks the passionate intensity that Bormanis was clearly hoping for. Too often it comes across as really pretty silly - the flaming of the alien guy whose suit ruptures is unintentionally hilarious for example.

All of which is a shame, because it has some decent points to make about the fact that history rarely remembers the whys and hows. Whole races can be forgotten, wiped out for what at the time had seemed to be the only sane options to take.

The aliens are utterly convinced that this plague must be eradicated, in the same way that Trip and Archer are seriously thinking about wiping out the Xindi, as the Xindi are to them etc. And all sides doing this for what they believe are the best of reasons.

So what Archer goes through is intended to give him a taste of what it will be like if they continue to so single mindedly pursue this destructive path. That even if they decimate the Xindi, some survivors will be left and will know only that their people were killed and they won't care who was right etc etc.

It's an early warning that you should be careful of what you believe, no matter how right it seems to be at the time. The Xindi themselves lost an entire sub species and their home planet before they came to their senses. Like the genetic remains of the alien race that Archer keeps to (in part at least) remind himself that he is here to save lives more than he is to take them, the Xindi keep relics of the Avians, as reminders of their past mistakes.

But at the end of the day, the episode fails to deliver for the most part. The idea of showing Trip can still be relied on to command the ship effectively despite his troubles, that T'Pol rational arguments can bring Archer round and remind him of who he is... good ideas, but not executed well enough by far.

And of course there are the usual points of contention that accompany any particularly sci-fi plot. Should we really feel sorry for a race whose solution was to infect and effectively kill other species - it's like a silent invasion after all. Would 'ingenious' really be all Phlox had to say on the subject?!

And the crewmembers (as always in these kinds of stories) seem to adjust very quickly to the stress of having been a whole different race, and we know they'll never mention it again. And as usual, Hoshi sinks into the background, doing and saying very little, despite being where the action is (she does get to beat someone up though!) I did enjoy the sight of 'Captain Travis' though!

Nevertheless, there are rays of hope for this episode. Although the performances don't do it justice, the dialogue is workable enough. The idea had promise and some of the visuals are pretty good - the sequence where the newly altered Archer sees his human self in the dream is a brief but powerful glimpse into how good it could have been.

Indeed, only the excellent opening scenes aboard Enterprise, convince me that this shouldn't have started with Archer and the others already turned. Then you'd have much more time to explore the character and have T'Pol try and bring him around. The actual arrival and infection could easily be explained without having to show it.

I suppose the best you can say is that T'Pol and Trip both manage to sucessfully accomplish their respective objectives however. T'Pol manages to communicate with the stricken crewmembers, befriends them and keeps them from harm. Both in a physical sense (through the application of vulcan boot to alien face) and by stopping Archer from killing a (sort of) innocent man, which our hero would probably have taken rather badly when he was cured.

Trip meanwhile manages to keep the alien kill teams from getting up to too much mischief, avoiding full scale battle in the process (always a plus for diplomatic relations). It's up to personal preference if you think his return to jolly old 'Hold on - I've got the peaches!' Trip is a good thing, so soon into the season. But again, taken for what it is (showing their ability to navigate a crisis and restore some normalcy for the time being), it's okay.

One last point is that I was disappointed at how civilised both kinds of aliens eventually were. After the build up to the horrific nature of The Expanse, it's a bit deflating to see such ordinary races. I just don't think it's a very good idea to have too many races like this knocking about in The Expanse.

Because the more people they meet, the less isolated they feel; it spoils the 'haunted, paths untrodden by sane men' feel. And oftentimes, these races they meet all apparently have no knowledge of the Xindi (despite them being spread throughout the Expanse and testing deadly weapons).

But that'll all keep for another time. For now, what about a score?

Well, I think this will have to be put down as 'one of those days'. A fair idea that suceeds on a very basic level in promoting the senior officers to us and shifting the focus off Archer's obsession to open up the season and make things a little less restrictive for the writers of the next few episodes, allow new viewers a way in etc.

But it's certainly no classic - 'Extinction' gets 1.5 of 5 from me. It wasn't intrinsically awful - it just didn't happen on the day.

So that's that. Until Monday, this is Sadissstro... going to Ur'Quaaat...
 
hi sadistro,

it's always a pleasure to read you

but this time, i find you a little flinty with this episode.

it's not one of my favorite episode, but still...
 
I was tempted to give it 2 out of 5, because like I said, there's some great stuff buried in this episode. But good intentions aside, I just feel that the performances weren't good enough to sell the story properly.
 
ok

well, like i said before, it's always a pleasure to read you. your analysises are always interesting.

don't stop :)
 
'Extinction' gets 1.5 of 5 from me. It wasn't intrinsically awful - it just didn't happen on the day.
It gets 1.5/5 from me to, simply because "1" (or "F") is reserved for eps like "ANiS", "Bounty" and/or "Daedalus" (what, no TATV? That one doesn't deserve a grade IMO).
'Extinction' may not be intrinsically awful (as you put it), but it is pretty bad none the less, even embarrassing at times.

So that's that. Until Monday, this is Sadissstro... going to Ur'Quaaat...
:alienblush:
 
Sadistro, I thought it was boring as well.

This scene is important because it helps to inform T'Pol's handling of Archer in the command center. Once again 'the gentle touch' is required. When he aplogises for getting her up, she says 'I wasn't asleep', which on one hand may suggest embarrassment over what she was doing, but also contains a distinct but understated note of 'And you're *still* awake and in here, I see.'

This is an excellent point and something that really bothered me during season 3. Archer and T'Pol are up a lot, and neither seem like they're getting very much sleep. And yet, a later episode focuses on poor Trip not sleeping. I like Trip, but ... doesn't it seem like he should be worried about all of them? Oddly enough, this doesn't come up satisfactorily in Hatchery and why I thought the episode was kinda weak.
 
^^ Trip did have that dead-baby-sister thing going on, which I took to be the subtext when Trip's insomnia was mentioned. The Archer subtext was his growing concern over his mission, and as we know, Vulcans can function on much less sleep...

EPISODE 3 - 'EXTINCTION'.
Ouch. But...yeah, you made a lot of good points.

So Bormanis does a wonderful job here of showing what T'Pol brings to this mission - a logical mind, a sane approach, considered reasoning but with intelligence to know not to push (or rather when to push). And in another Bormanis staple, Bakula does a good job of showing that he is utterly convinced of the need to get down there and investigate.
I also thought the opening scenes were done well, and I like the way you deconstructed it, finding parallels between the way T'Pol helped both Trip and Archer with her "gentle touch."

There was one scene with the transformed crew that I did think played well (maybe it was just me)... when they find the ruins of the Lo'que'que civilization. Perhaps it was because there wasn't much dialogue. :p

All of which is a shame, because it has some decent points to make about the fact that history rarely remembers the whys and hows. Whole races can be forgotten, wiped out for what at the time had seemed to be the only sane options to take.

The aliens are utterly convinced that this plague must be eradicated, in the same way that Trip and Archer are seriously thinking about wiping out the Xindi, as the Xindi are to them etc. And all sides doing this for what they believe are the best of reasons.

So what Archer goes through is intended to give him a taste of what it will be like if they continue to so single mindedly pursue this destructive path. That even if they decimate the Xindi, some survivors will be left and will know only that their people were killed and they won't care who was right etc etc.

It's an early warning that you should be careful of what you believe, no matter how right it seems to be at the time. The Xindi themselves lost an entire sub species and their home planet before they came to their senses. Like the genetic remains of the alien race that Archer keeps to (in part at least) remind himself that he is here to save lives more than he is to take them, the Xindi keep relics of the Avians, as reminders of their past mistakes.
Great theme. Too bad it kinda got lost in the sauce of the execution.
 
The aliens are utterly convinced that this plague must be eradicated, in the same way that Trip and Archer are seriously thinking about wiping out the Xindi, as the Xindi are to them etc. And all sides doing this for what they believe are the best of reasons.

So what Archer goes through is intended to give him a taste of what it will be like if they continue to so single mindedly pursue this destructive path. That even if they decimate the Xindi, some survivors will be left and will know only that their people were killed and they won't care who was right etc etc.

It's an early warning that you should be careful of what you believe, no matter how right it seems to be at the time. The Xindi themselves lost an entire sub species and their home planet before they came to their senses. Like the genetic remains of the alien race that Archer keeps to (in part at least) remind himself that he is here to save lives more than he is to take them, the Xindi keep relics of the Avians, as reminders of their past mistakes. t...

yeah archer is given a gliompse that things may not be as black and white as he wanted to believe.

but over all this was a dispointing episode.

one thing i wish they haf considered was use it to build the mythos of the expanse.

they find connections between the extinct race and the spheres.
that the patrol aliens say they turned against a superior race they were serving.
 
Hello again; just a quick fly-by today. It is the weekend after all!

I agree with Mach that 1 out 5 should only be reserved for the most truly dreadful specimens ever to contaminate the screen. I'd also say that whilst Star Trek (in all its series), even on its worst days, usually manages to avoid such catastrophes.

As for Bormanis, he never writes many episodes in any of the seasons. I suspect that this is down to him feeling unable to come up with enough truly killer ideas. And I think he did work better when he was writing teleplays (i.e adapting other people's stories).

It might have been a bitter pill to swallow, when he had already written something as good as 'Silent Enemy', but I think getting episodes under his belt was more important. Nothing breeds confidence like a few well received episodes - you can worry about doing your own stories later.

But it cannot be denied this is a disappointing episode. If he were simply a bad writer, it might be easier, because you could pass by with no worries. But you can see Bormanis has talent, which makes it all the more frustrating.

On Trip being singled out for his insomnia, I think Phlox is pretty sensible about how he approaches both Trip and Archer in this season. There is going to be a lot of stress on them, but it's too important a mission to have them feel like he's stalking their every movement, heckling them for not taking care of themselves.

He takes a less invasive approach. With Archer, he makes sure he is the same rock of stability he has always been, backing him up and trusting him to not do anything too foolish. This pays off as Archer more or less seeks his blessing for his dubious plan in 'Damage' and tells him straight that he has no problem leaving Enterprise in Phlox's care in 'Doctor's Orders'.

And with Trip, we see that he held off as long as he could, but that Trip's problems require a more spiritual, psychological solution than standard medical care. He only steps in when Trip's behaviour becomes dangerous in 'The Forgotten'. Even then, his work in putting Trip and T'Pol together earlier in the season, eventually pays off in that same episode.

Anyway the shadows are lengthening so I'll have to pop off soon. Chris Black's first episode of the series is coming up next. Or as I call him, 'The cheerful observer of human nature'.

Especially when writing alone, he often introduces a more light hearted and optimistic feel than some of the other writers. He is always keen to show that there are two sides to every story, that most people will come around if you give them time.

He is very big on the idea of observation, of looking at others and examining them to find out what they are like. His stories usually someone seperate from others who can fulfill this function. Take crewmen Rostov from '2 Days and 2 Nights', whose huge smile as he listens to the crew talking when piloting the shuttlepod to Risa, would not be out of place in a toothpaste advert.

He's happy just to hear his crewmates talking and being excited about visiting Risa. Crewman Cutler is the same on board Enterprise, beaming at Phlox's antics as they wake him up from hibernation.

But look through his episodes and you'll see people are always watching other people. Archer looks down from his balcony at the female resident in 2DA2N, Rajinn observes human behaviour in her time among them, Phlox is able to come and go as he pleases, viewing the slumbering crewmembers in 'The Forgotten', the team view the Xindi scientist 'in his own habitat' in 'The Shipment', the Andorians come aboard and nose about, getting to know people in 'Proving Ground' etc etc.

Knowing when to look and when to stop looking and act is one of his big concerns (such as with T'Pol realising that the crew are acting more strangely than usual in 'Singularity', the Aquatics finally coming down on Humanity's side in 'Countdown', Rajinn... ah, but that would be telling, wouldn't it?! :D

But whilst he brings an optimism and warmness to the show, he is a fairly traditional writer at times. He is interested in how men and women interact, although adopting somewhat stereotypical views from both genders at times.

Men are adventerous, macho action types and are frequently 'on the pull' (Trip and Reed for example, with their outrageous clobber and 'we're here to get laid' grins in '2 days and 2 nights'.) But they are heroic and generally well meaning.

Women meanwhile, usually tut and frown at the guys' macho posturing and have to look after these loveable fools when they screw things up. Women are usually seen as givers of moral support and 'inspirational figures'... You can almost hear the feminists sharpening their axes right now.

Because it is all very stereotypical really. Nothing says danger to Chris Black like a woman being placed in danger. And he is also very fond of the 'sexy but tragic female spy', who doesn't really want to betray the heroes but has to...

So both genders have cause to feel slightly misquoted by Black. But as the viewpoints are still predominantly what you expect from a male writer, I think women have more cause for grieveance than guys here. Too often, women are portrayed as duplicitious or just as hectoring sorts who dampen the guys' enthusiasm.

It reminded of a quote from 'Jeeves and Wooster' about women constantly putting men down:

"They are brought up that way, I'm afraid. They believe it is their duty to restrain male optmism'.

Black has a cheerful attitude and his stereotypes imply no malice whatsoever to my mind. It does serve to make his episodes less... 'significant' however, than some of Braga's or Sussman's episodes. Many of them are excellently written and are usually all great fun.

But they do seem to espouse some rather old fashioned viewpoints at times. But there will time for all this and more, when the new week dawns...

And then you will see the magificence of... Bistro?

...?

Dave! They've spelt the name wrong on the Marquee again! Arrgghh!
 
...I think it's a great idea and completely in keeping with my own view of the world. It may sound misanthropic and indeed is in many ways. But it does give it far more edge and is a very refreshing antidote to what is at times, a very unrealistic vision of the future...

...Now, reading that, I wouldn't be surprised if people were ready to ship me out to the same platform at sea with Braga that they are aiming torpedos at. I would say only that such an attitude does not imply any malice to Star Trek as a franchise, just that some of us need a little more explanation and a little more acceptance of how things really are, how people and life really is, in order to fully enjoy Star Trek...

...So it came as little surprise that the Vulcans in Enterprise did show a suspicious level of emotional outburst and just went to show that Braga finds them an unworkable race for the stories and mindsets that he understands and wants to talk about. I can appreciate why fans were outraged and I think he (and the other writers) didn't do enough with this new interpretation to justify the change....

...Because that's it, isn't it? One of the principal problems with Enterprise is that many bold risks and new directions were attempted, but with often very unsatisfactory results.

The thing about misanthropy is that misanthropes should hate the system and the environment it produces to shape people and make them as they are, rather than hating (or being pessimistic about) humanity, as if there were innate negative traits in universal human "nature" that override the positive ones. Pre-Enterprise Trek never denied how people really WERE (how people "really are" in our epoch), but it's touched upon the reasons why people aren't as irredeemable in the future, albeit usually quite tacitly---and timidly. Human nature is driven, or activated (in terms of certain genetic traits responding to environmental stimuli), by nurture and socialization. We're not inherently stark individualists, greedy, or umber-competitive---we're raised to be that way in mass society. We were NOT these things as hunter-gatherers in small groups before becoming sedentary with agriculture and the advent of a surplus/specialization/division of labor and urbanization.

"The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity."

This brings me to what I see as the lost opportunity of Enterprise. I really didn't see "the bold risks and new directions...attempted"---not until the penultimate 2-part episode of the series (Demons/Terra Prime)!! That's the kind of story Enterprise should've STARTED with. Enterprise had the potential to boldly show us the way we got from the present to the TOS era: the "more evolved sensibility."

I VIVIDLY remember Braga saying in an interview that the majority of the time in the First Season would be spent INSIDE the Terran solar system (I can't remember the source to site. Anyone else remember this statement?). This led me to anticipate a show that would grapple with stories about society on Earth and (wishful thinking) its transformation/evolution. What happened? With all due respect to fans, I feel Season One and Two turned out to be a blander copy of a copy of a copy. Had they done the show I wanted, it may not have lasted beyond Season 1 :lol: but would've been FAR riskier and controversial.

I saw in Enterprise the opportunity for an unabashedly socio-political study of the near future, applying Roddenberry's idealism devoid of the allegorical shroud necessary to bypass censors with a far-removed future setting in the 1960s. How did we come to stop using money as a means of exchange? How did we end poverty and war? How did we settle on world governance? These issues were apparently already resolved by Enterprise's time. Was it simply that we united once mass consciousness changed with First Contact? I don't know if this would've messed with the canonical timeline, but I would have put Enterprise in a era in which people were still clinging to their petty nationalist (and, by extension, racial/ethnic and even--ultimately--class) identities.

When I first heard of the character Reed, I assumed he was going to be a British officer, with a British uniform, on a joint mission with other nationalities. Instead all we get is a throw-away line where he defends the edification of a British core educational curriculum on the shuttlepod (and I'm not saying that's a bad thing, as a matter of cultural pride; nationalism is bad because it's an identity that overrides human solidarity and devalues "aliens" as the Other).

There were just so many missed opportunities for intra-human conflict in Enterprise's setting, both IN SPITE OF and as A RESULT OF extra-terrestrial contact (for the latter, I refer again to Demons). But Berman, and Braga after him, once again took the easy road and avoided the stickiest conflicts, as was done on Voyager, where the Fed/Marquis conflict evaporated after the first few episodes, simply because they were out in the Delta alone. It was easiest to blow-off humanity's social evolution by attributing it to First Contact, so that's all they did with it.

Now, I think Enterprise got the Vulcans RIGHT. Vulcans aren't born; they're MADE (same with humans). Vulcans were never born logical pacifists as if by virtue of genetic memory. We saw Vulcans react to a more militaristic acculturation that had strayed from Surak's core philosophy while misappropriating it, distorting it, and CLAIMING its mantle to serve illogical policies and principles antithetical to IDIC and logic (kind of like how elites pervert and institutionalize Christianity and other religions in the same way). The fact that Vulcans would transform so markedly between the ENT and TOS generation is a perfectly realistic testament to the power of socialization and the nature of the values inculcated among the majority. If only they'd analyzed the human condition similarly.
 
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Phlox is able to come and go as he pleases, viewing the slumbering crewmembers in 'The Forgotten',

actually..doctors orders

Women meanwhile, usually tut and frown at the guys' macho posturing and have to look after these loveable fools when they screw things up. Women are usually seen as givers of moral support and 'inspirational figures'... You can almost hear the feminists sharpening their axes right now.

Because it is all very stereotypical really. Nothing says danger to Chris Black like a woman being placed in danger. And he is also very fond of the 'sexy but tragic female spy', who doesn't really want to betray the heroes but has to...


uhhh...

rajiin for one was an episode were chris just worked on the teleplay..

Brent V. Friedman (teleplay) and
Chris Black (teleplay)


Paul Brown (story) and
Brent V. Friedman (story)

so i dont know if the female spy in danger fits there.

i dont know i see where when women characters save the day it is just because they are doing it to look after men when they screw things up.

that dosnt fit vlar, tpol in singularity .
well any way people can judge for themselves..
here are some of his writing credits..
Rogue Planet (20 March 2002) - supervising producer,
Writer (story) (teleplay

Fallen Hero (8 May 2002) - supervising producer, Writer (story)

Two Days and Two Nights (15 May 2002) - supervising producer, Writer (teleplay)

Carbon Creek (25 September 2002) - co-executive producer, Writer (teleplay)

Singularity (20 November 2002) - co-executive producer, Writer (written by)

Cease Fire (12 February 2003) - co-executive producer, Writer (written by

First Flight (14 May 2003) - co-executive producer, Writer (written by)

Rajiin (1 October 2003) - co-executive producer, Writer (teleplay)

The Shipment (22 October 2003) - co-executive producer, Writer (written by

Proving Ground (21 January 2004) - co-executive producer, Writer (written by)
 
Black may have only done the TP for 'Rajinn', but he had a similar female spy character in '2 Days and 2 Nights', the female Andorian officer that Reed flirts gently with in 'Proving Ground' sabotages (or tries to sabotage anyway) their ability to track them, Hoshi sabotages the Xindi super weapon in 'Countdown'...

And in 'Singularity', T'Pol is the only sane person on a ship full of people up to various antics. She has to act as the cool rational voice to steer Archer along the correct path.

I'm not saying that women save the day, just to solve the men's screw ups. I'm saying that he often uses them as the catalyst for men to act and that they tend to nurture, inspire men rather than save the day themselves. Men still get to be the heroes - he clearly loves the idea of the MACOs for instance, Archer steers the ship to safety in 'Singularity', Phlox saves the day 'Doctor's Orders', Hayes saves Hoshi in 'Countdown'.

In response to Cordrazine:
I have many views still to air on S3, so getting into this kind of debate isn't something I can really afford to do right now, I'm afraid! I will offer some thoughts, as I don't want you to think I'm trying to brush you or your comments off. You are entitled to your opinion, even if I don't agree with you. I'm a magician, not a hypnotist...

You say that hatred should be reserved for systems, environment shaping people, but Braga is clearly more interested in the notion that wherever you go 'people are still people'.

The idea was to show that whilst they imagine such commonality would mean that other races would be eager to meet and exchange cultural notes, it very often meant that everyone simply had the same capacity for greed, treachery etc.

Now I know that you would have liked the show to be about how they evolved, but that is something they would unlikely to be able to do. You cannot simply lay the blame at Braga and Berman's feet, because most writers have a problem with the idea of a future where humans are so evolved that they have abandoned their innate vices and negative attributes.

Ronald D Moore and JMS (of Babylon 5) for example, both consider themselves huge Star Trek fans, but they have been clear that they do not agree with the vision of humanity in the future that Star Trek propounds.

They can accept it, because they like many other things about Star Trek and the idea of a purer, more tolerant humanity is a compelling one. But I would argue that the majority of writers simply don't believe it would ever happen like that and would have great trouble writing such a show.

Also consider that Babylon 5 had already charted humanity's first steps into space and contact with other races in a more realistic way. It showed how humans still very much like us would cope and eventually overcome our paranoia and fear to come together properly with other races.

Star Trek has many more restrictions than B5 had though in its viewpoint. And whilst it is a nice idea, it is simply unrealistic to many people. Star Trek already has to be carefully controlled and selective about what stories it tells, because there are many areas that it cannot go, whilst espousing such an optimistic view.

Look at the Voyager episode 'Basics' and you'll see what I mean. It's an unpleasant thing to imagine, but I think it can't have escaped people's attention that the Kazon was remarkably gentle to the crew when they captured Enterprise. Consider all they could have done, probably would have done, but for the fact you could never put that in the show (and the crew would never recover from the scars).

You cannot evolve beyond violence and hatred etc, because it would last only so long as everyone played by the same rules - which is what Enterprise is getting at. Can they keep their optimism in the face of ambivilence and hostility to those ideals in others?

If writers do not believe such a thing as humanity evolving in this way would happen or is ever likely to happen, it would be folly to make them write about it. They simply have to accept the premise and tell stories in that universe.

Because you can do what you can to include all members of society, provide for everyone, see to their needs. But people will always want more than they have, some people will always fall through the cracks and some people simply enjoy lashing out at those around them.

Temptation will also always be there. People who feel they can get ahead in such a way as no-one will ever know they did wrong, is something that will probably never go away. You see it in the corruption of businessmen and politicians who have so much power centered in their hands, they frequently abuse it, thinking they cannot be caught.

As I said earlier, we live in jaded times. You cannot pick up a newspaper without reading about something truly horrific. Increased communication and media in the modern age have forced us to see that we are a deeply flawed species. As Bill Hicks put it 'The television introduced us to the horror of our lives'.

And many writers do try to be optimistic in the face of this. 'The Dark Knight' was recently applauded by many (though I didn't care for it much), because it showed that whilst the world was full of corruption, we did as a race wish we were better people.

Nolan tried to say that even if someone forced us to see that inside we are all capable of the worst atrocities, we still had to keep fighting against it, still hope it could change. And that sometimes, we could surprise ourselves with how much we did care.

But to actually chart believably how we would change, is a task that many would not be eager to take on. The best most writers can come up with, is that we continue fighting against our baser selves and keep hoping. (Hence the proliferation of superhero films and shows in modern, post 9/11 times - we like to believe in a fantasy that good can defeat evil, that there are people who care).

At the end of the day, Enterprise explored in greater depth how hard it was to keep faith in your ideals when others did not share them and violated them. It was different, whilst still being intrinsically Star Trek.

Writers are products of their times. Braga was simply writing about the humanity he saw; how people would in his opinion react to various the crisis and situations. He had to stay true to himself and what he believed or there would be no soul behind it.

And I will have to leave it there, because other duties call. I'll put up my thoughts on 'Rajinn' soon.

Until then, I have to see a man about a sign...
 
At the beginning of this "little" 'Misanthrope show' a thought that your views are downright ridiculous, but now I'm actually starting to find them disturbing.

You imply that the future described in Star Trek lacks realism, and you're certainly not the only one who feels that way, but most of the people I know who share this view don't really like Star Trek.

You cannot evolve beyond violence and hatred etc, because it would last only so long as everyone played by the same rules - which is what Enterprise is getting at.
In ENT's mid 22. century humanity is still all about baby steps. It is still inexperienced in the matters of inter species relations, but it is getting there. It would be naive if everything went smoothly for Starfleet from the beginning.

Can they keep their optimism in the face of ambivalence and hostility to those ideals in others?
They absolutely have to. The day a man becomes a pessimist is the day he dies inside. Some mistake pessimism for realism, but those people are to be pitied (unfortunately, I know a few of them, and I wouldn't want be in their shows).

Star Trek is all about optimism (kudos to Orci, Kurtzman & Abrams for embracing this). It tells a story about a future in which humanity has solved its internal issues (poverty, hunger, disease, intolerance, war), and is undertaking the next logical step in it's evolution - ventures to the stars, into the unknown. There is some sugar-coating, of course, but I believe that the Earth's future, as depicted in ST, should, no, must be something to strive for.

In one of the earlier posts, you said that S4 didn't feel like "Enterprise" any more. But if the show didn't evolve, what would be the point? Season 4 was profoundly Star Trek, something ENT was always supposed to eventually evolve into.
 
My point is that looking at people as they are, as you see them day to day and read about what's going on in the world (spree shootings in USA and Germany just last week), it is hard for many to actually believe in the idea of humanity that Star Trek portrays.

It isn't that people don't want to believe in it; they just can't see how it would ever happen, when we know the kinds of things people do to each other, are doing to each other as we speak.

And Ron Moore and Brannon Braga are just two very visible people in Star Trek who questioned how believeable all that really was. Moore and several of the DS9 staff were quietly very subversive in picking away at the Federation. And of course in his show BSG, humans are anything but evolved - they are being exterminated by the Cylons for being corrupt.

I've said earlier that Braga is in many ways a strange choice for a Trek showrunner and that I don't think it was any accident that Rick Berman started getting more hands on when Braga became showrunner of Voyager and Enterprise (because whilst he has a great talent, someone needed to make sure the end product was still Star Trek).

Enterprise is about the struggle to retain that optimism - that having won 'the war at home', they now have to do it all over again! And yes, I hoped that in time, the show would lead us with Archer through a 'is it all really worth it' to the eventual decision that humanity, far from being troublemakers, have something very important to share with the rest of the galaxy(s).

Star Trek has many iconic races, characters and episodes. It isn't just as simple as you only like it if you agree with Roddenberry's view of an evolved humanity.

I have never made any secret of the fact that I find Braga's approach much more in line with my personal thinking. But is anyone going to stand up and tell me I don't like Star Trek or that I can't watch it?

I warn you - this wand is loaded!
 
My point is that looking at people as they are, as you see them day to day and read about what's going on in the world (spree shootings in USA and Germany just last week), it is hard for many to actually believe in the idea of humanity that Star Trek portrays.

It isn't that people don't want to believe in it; they just can't see how it would ever happen, when we know the kinds of things people do to each other, are doing to each other as we speak.
Yes, the present is grim. That's exactly why we need something to strive for.

And Ron Moore and Brannon Braga are just two very visible people in Star Trek who questioned how believable all that really was. Moore and several of the DS9 staff were quietly very subversive in picking away at the Federation.
Remember DS9's "Homefront" and "Paradise Lost"? The message of these episodes is that even in it's darkest hour filled with fear and paranoia, Earth must remain an oasis of peace and tolerance. Humanity has to hold on to the values that United Earth / UFP is built on, because if it doesn't, Dominion wins.

And of course in his show BSG, humans are anything but evolved - they are being exterminated by the Cylons for being corrupt.
BSG has nothing to do with Star Trek. Those are two completely separate entities.

I have never made any secret of the fact that I find Braga's approach much more in line with my personal thinking.
It's the whole idea of this "Braga's approach" you speak of that I find strange. What makes you see David Fincher in him?

But is anyone going to stand up and tell me I don't like Star Trek or that I can't watch it?

I warn you - this wand is loaded!
Easy mate, what's with the paranoia? :wtf:
 
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