He can train with other Force users.
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I guess it depends on how one defines those terms. Mandalorian can just mean a person born either on Mandalore or one of it's colonies (or decended from such people that consider themselves culturally Mandalorian), or it can mean anyone initiated into the cult of The Mandalore and follows the creed. The latter of course believe that they're the only ones that count as Mandalorians, regardless.
If we're just talking about the former then yes, they can of course be inducted as a Jedi just like anyone from literally any other planet can be. Also, the Jedi appear to encourage their Initiates to both understand and embrace their unique cultures of origin (since they're taken so young, it's not like they'd remember or have any clue otherwise.) So in that sense there can of course be Mandalorian Jedi in the same way there can be Alderaanian Jedi, Kashyyykian Jedi, Coruscanti Jedi, Rylothian Jedi, Mirialan Jedi . . . etc. etc.
However it seems like the creed of The Mandalore and the Jedi Code are mutually exclusive, if not diametrically opposed. So embracing one should necessitate abandoning the other by sheer definition.
We still don't have the full story of Tarre Vizsla yet. All we know is that he was born Mandalorian, became a Jedi (building the Darksaber in the process), wound up ruling Mandalore with the Darksaber in hand; apparently founding House Vizsla in the process (sorry Shae!), died and either bequeathed the Darksaber back to the Order, or they recovered it by other means, only for his decedents/inheritors to break in and nick it in the chaos of the Fall of the Old Republic and the Rise of Darth Bane's Empire.
We don't know if he (somehow?) remained a Jedi while ruling Mandalore, but it seems unlikely. Even as a Wayseeker there would have to be limits that the High Council would tolerate and "ruling a planet of conquering warriors known for going to war with Jedi" seems just a teeny bit over the line, no?
It seems more likely he chose to leave the Order out of some sense of obligation (last of his line, the only one that could unite the houses and end yet another Mando civil war, that kind of thing.) And out of respect, the Council permitted him to keep his sabre (as they did with Dooku and Ty Yorrick.)
Which also leads to the question; what is a Jedi? Usually that's pretty cut and dried; a Jedi is anyone officially Knighted into the Order. However post Order-66, it's a but more flexible. Ahsoka for example left the Order, but her actions, how she comports herself, and the code she holds herself to makes it a valid argument that she is a Jedi in all but name. Perhaps even more so than those that were actually Knighted. Even Luke was never officially Knighted since there was literally no one left to do it. So does the philosophy matter more than the formalities? You would think, but it depends on the when and where of it all. Context matters.
This is a long way of saying that I don't think the trajectory of this show is "how Jedi Initiate Grogu became a Mandalorian of the Creed", but more likely "How Din Djarin redefined what being a Mandalorian means to himself."
In that sense, he's on a similar journey as Sabine, who it can also be said is reconciling Jedi teachings with her (much less fanatical) Mandalorian heritage.
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No, not really, no.
After the events of the Fall of the Republic Trilogy, the Jedi don't exist again until the events of the Rise of the Rebellion Trilogy.
Period.
You have people self-identifying as followers of the Jedi Order in that interim period, but they are not officially Jedi and so therefore the Jedi Order does not exist during said period.
Several 'official' Jedi survived Order 66.
All of them (as far as we know) died before the OT, but they existed between the two trilogies.
Only Sith deal in absolutes.
Those individuals may have survived, but they were no longer officially Jedi once Palpatine publicly declared the Order destroyed and changed public records to villify it.
Following the credo of the Jedi Order doesn't officially make someone a member of it.
Absolutely?
As long as there's Jedi the the Order lives on, Palpatine can't destroy something he doesn't control.
You're believing Imperial propaganda.
I agree. It's only a matter of finding one capable of being a good teacher and willing to serve as Grogu's mentor.
Yeah, as long as there are people who were fully trained and knighted, then they are still Jedi. They might not be a unified order, but they're still there.
That's not how organized religion - and the Jedi Order was an organized religion - works.
Vos is still unaccounted for, isn't he?
Yeah, but he's only been mentioned in sources set before the OT so far, the latest in the timeline being Kenobi.
You don't know how organized religion works.
Yes, I do.
Using two real-world examples, if you're excommunicated from or voluntarily leave the Catholic or LDS religions, you can no longer officially identify yourself as being either a Catholic or Mormon even if your behavior and moral code remains centered around or guided by the tenets of those religious institutions.
The Jedi Order ceased to exist as an organized religious entity when Palpatine issued Order 66 and wiped out the majority of its members, and therefore anyone who may have survived that purge ceased to be a member of the group even if their behavior remained centered around or guided by its tenets.
Nope. Yoda was still alive, the Jedi Order survived in severely reduced numbers, but it still existed.
Your real life examples make zero sense, no one kicked the Jedi out of the Order and Palpatine does not have the authority to kick anyone out of the Jedi Order. None of them were officially kicked out of the order.
If the Italian army marched into Vatican City and wiped everything out, the Catholic church would still exist.
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We have at least two Jedi Masters that survived Order 66. At least one Jedi Knight, and several Padawans and Younglings. We do not know the extent of "The Path" and just how many Jedi and Jedi sympathizers managed to "disappear" in the first ten years of the Empire, before Obi-Wan Kenobi came out of hiding to rescue Princess Leia from the Inquisitors.
We also don't know how many Jedi the Inquisitors and Darth Vader had to hunt down in the fifteen years before the "Jedi" were officially considered defeated by Darth Vader. At that time he changed the Inquisitor's goals into finding the children of the Jedi and the remaining lost padawans that might train them. That was around the time Padawan Kanan Jarrus took on Ezra Bridger as a student (both becoming noticed by the Empire, and Darth Vader becoming aware that Ahsoka Tano lived.
Just prior to the completion of the Death Star, it seemed like all the Jedi were gone. Kanan was gone. Ezra and Ahsoka were missing. Yoda and Obi-wan were in hiding. Vos might be someplace. Most of the other known survivors were dead or missing. That is before Obi-wan Kenobi appeared again to rescue Princess Leia from the Empire. Then some Rebel pilot used the Force to destroy the Death Star. After that the Jedi started to return, but in what number and in what condition is a story we have not been told yet. We know Ahsoka reappeared again. Grogu came out of hiding. Ezra Bridger is still out there someplace. Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker is looking for knowledge and students.
We also don't know how many Jedi the Inquisitors and Darth Vader had to hunt down in the fifteen years before the "Jedi" were officially considered defeated by Darth Vader. At that time he changed the Inquisitor's goals into finding the children of the Jedi and the remaining lost padawans that might train them. That was around the time Padawan Kanan Jarrus took on Ezra Bridger as a student (both becoming noticed by the Empire, and Darth Vader becoming aware that Ahsoka Tano lived.
Just prior to the completion of the Death Star, it seemed like all the Jedi were gone. Kanan was gone. Ezra and Ahsoka were missing. Yoda and Obi-wan were in hiding. Vos might be someplace. Most of the other known survivors were dead or missing. That is before Obi-wan Kenobi appeared again to rescue Princess Leia from the Empire. Then some Rebel pilot used the Force to destroy the Death Star. After that the Jedi started to return, but in what number and in what condition is a story we have not been told yet. We know Ahsoka reappeared again. Grogu came out of hiding. Ezra Bridger is still out there someplace. Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker is looking for knowledge and students.
Let me see if I follow your logic here. Leaving a religion which still exists is the same as being part of a religion which is no longer recognized by the incumbent government? How does that even make sense to you?
Indeed, especially if the Pope, at least one Cardinal, and a handful of bishops and priests managed to escape and survive, which is basically the equivalent of the Jedi Order post Order 66.
My point of view, in a nutshell, is that because the Jedi Order was not officially reestablished until after the events of the Rise of the Rebellion Trilogy, there were no Jedi up until that point even though a handful of its former members were still alive.
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