The lack of national diversity in the Discovery cast...
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This is the first I've heard of it.
I would have but she was dead before it started to irritate me.
I did read of a few people online who had trouble understanding her. Interestingly the they seemed to be from countries where English would be their second or third language. I guessing listening to a foreign language being spoken with a third party accent may be a little taxing.
The idea of national origin being related in any way to a character's accent is a connection that TNG made completely irrelevant with Picard, a Frenchman, and his entire family speaking English with a British accent.
It's clear that some people learn English in the future with very specific accents (American or British) and others never shed the accent of their native tongue (Chekov for example).
It's clear that some people learn English in the future with very specific accents (American or British) and others never shed the accent of their native tongue (Chekov for example).
Her accent was odd, at least to me. I don't know if it is a true Malaysian accent, or if it had something to do with her parents Chinese heritage (i.e., is there some Chinese aspect to her accent as well as Malaysian?)
However, while I found it odd, it didn't bother me. I mean, it's simply the accent she has.
It must so hard having to be exposed to someone other than a white American cis straight man.
As I’ve said before, Star Trek should be more diverse. It should be the most diverse show on television.
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Admittedly, this crap gets old from both sides:
"Get rid of this lame SJW crap and stop trying to shove progressive ideals down my throat!!! Star Trek sux!! SUUUUXXX!!"
or
"Star Trek has a cultural responsibility to show every kind of person possible, or it's just a lame racist Hollywood hypocrisy! Shame on you Star Trek! SHAAAAMMMEEE!!!'
Everyone needs to knock it off. Both sides are starting to sound like lunatics about the whole thing, just looking for something to take a stand on. Make me a good show with good characters. I don't care about anything else.
"Get rid of this lame SJW crap and stop trying to shove progressive ideals down my throat!!! Star Trek sux!! SUUUUXXX!!"
or
"Star Trek has a cultural responsibility to show every kind of person possible, or it's just a lame racist Hollywood hypocrisy! Shame on you Star Trek! SHAAAAMMMEEE!!!'
Everyone needs to knock it off. Both sides are starting to sound like lunatics about the whole thing, just looking for something to take a stand on. Make me a good show with good characters. I don't care about anything else.
The people complaining about the complaining need to knock it off too.
What I said was a legitimate comment, so why am I being directed to "knock it off?" That seems a bit unfair, to be honest.
I am sorry if you took offense (genuinely), but there's no need for this. I have as much a right to comment on people's attitudes toward the franchise as anyone else. And, since this kind of extreme posturing on either side is not only unproductive, but often becomes personal and emotional, I think it's about run its course.
It was a joke, you were the one telling people in a thread about diversity in Star Trek should knock it off. Diversity is probably going to be discussed in it.
I think you misinterpreted my intent is all. I simply say that I disagree with both sides of the issue in the extreme. He disagreed with you, you disagreed with him, I disagreed with both, just advocating for a more moderate take on the situation. It wasn't meant to cause anger...it was just another person "chiming in"
As I've said...I actually think that by the time of the 23rd Century in this particular universe, it's hard to actually judge true "national diversity." For all we know, Lorca is a descendant from the people of the Republic of Macedonia, was raised on Tiburon IV, and learned to speak English from a Chinese-descendant tutor with an American accent. Who knows? Picard was a Frenchman with a British accent. Worf was a Klingon raised by Eastern European / Slavic parents (with no indication of having their accent either).
I actually think the show has done a very nice job of depicting strong and influential diverse characters, including Michael, Phillipa Gorgeau (who is one of my favorite captains at this point), the relationship between Stamets and Culber (which I think is very well done thus far...infinitely better than any of the other sophomoric <and straight> relationships on Star Trek in the past), Tyler's and Lorca's psychological conditions, etc. It's nice to see in Star Trek. So, I guess I get a little confused when I hear people on either side of the issue really far to one end or the other thinking the show has gone too far or not far enough.
I'm actually of the opinion that they've handled these issues with grace and with tremendous effectiveness thus far.
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My biggest gripe with "diversity" on television is that it's often visual / superficial...not reflective of the values, culture and attitudes of the individuals who have different heritages or upbringings. I think you can have a very colorful looking and talking cast, but if their attitudes and values are all homogeneous, you've really done nothing other than make a nice-looking but shallow show.
While DSC is not a shining beacon of diversity, I think it's done very well to portray different values and approaches amongst the main cast. Certainly, it's MUCH better than previous Trek incarnations where the diversity was either very surface level ("Eet vas eenwented een Russia!" or "Aye lad...does it mix well with Scotch???") or depicted primarily through aliens and not humans with different backgrounds and cultural upbringings.
My biggest gripe with "diversity" on television is that it's often visual / superficial...not reflective of the values, culture and attitudes of the individuals who have different heritages or upbringings. I think you can have a very colorful looking and talking cast, but if their attitudes and values are all homogeneous, you've really done nothing other than make a nice-looking but shallow show.
While DSC is not a shining beacon of diversity, I think it's done very well to portray different values and approaches amongst the main cast. Certainly, it's MUCH better than previous Trek incarnations where the diversity was either very surface level ("Eet vas eenwented een Russia!" or "Aye lad...does it mix well with Scotch???") or depicted primarily through aliens and not humans with different backgrounds and cultural upbringings.
You must not watch a lot of TV.
Admittedly not a lot but I don't really understand your comment.
I'm also not inclined to continue the discussion, though. I think I've made my position pretty clear, and I never expected you or anyone else to be aligned with it, regardless of its merits. Since I've learned that debating with anyone who has an emotional, engrained stance on an issue is about the most self-defeating approach you can take...I think any further discussion is only an invitation for frustration.
Why do you keep insisting I’m emotional about this? What’s wrong with emotions? They don’t make an argument invalid. It’s such a bizarre criticism.
I'm not even sure there ARE two sides. As far as I can tell, it's just two groups of trolls with equally fictitious points of view.
Honestly, I wasn't criticizing you.
It becomes very apparent at times how meaning can be lost in the written word, at least for me it seems.
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