The Janeway debate

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Those who use to read me perfectly know how I love Kathryn Janeway's character as well as a Starfleet Captain as a woman in her 40s, with her qualities AND flaws (which I never forgotten to quote). That being said, there are 2 things I really regretted :

- her lack of distance with and/or professional detachment from her crew during a mission, regardless the time spent together (7 weekes,; 7 months or 7 years). Of course, this didin't prevent she feels attached to some of her people and that some faithful friendships are born afterwards, but she didn't need to show it so clearly during the journey, ‎at the risk that some try to take advantage of the situation..., what happened besides, with varying degrees of success (Chakotay, Tom, the Doctor and even Seven).
-> as my former boss used to say (to anyone who listened) , " Une place pour chacun et chacun a sa place!" (= a place for everyone and everyone in their place!): she' a Starfleet captain, who was in charge of a vessel and a crew, not someone seeking diverse and varied company. Janeway commands, her crew obeys. Period.

- her lack of accuracy in the disciplinary treatment of some members of her crew (yes, Tom deserved to be punished for his behavior /disobedience to a direct order in "Thirty Days" but, why a double penalty, while Harry Kim, for the same fault, only got a a verbal or written reprimand, which would have had no consequence for his career? And what to say compared to the Doctor and/or the Maquis crew, who for each disobedience/ wrongful act ‎got a slap on the wrist...

 

[Sophie74656]

Those who use to read me perfectly know how I love Kathryn Janeway's character as well as a Starfleet Captain as a woman in her 40s, with her qualities AND flaws (which I never forgotten to quote). That being said, there are 2 things I really regretted :

- her lack of distance with and/or professional detachment from her crew during a mission, regardless the time spent together (7 weekes,; 7 months or 7 years). Of course, this didin't prevent she feels attached to some of her people and that some faithful friendships are born afterwards, but she didn't need to show it so clearly during the journey, ‎at the risk that some try to take advantage of the situation..., what happened besides, with varying degrees of success (Chakotay, Tom, the Doctor and even Seven).
-> as my former boss used to say (to anyone who listened) , " Une place pour chacun et chacun a sa place!" (= a place for everyone and everyone in their place!): she' a Starfleet captain, who was in charge of a vessel and a crew, not someone seeking diverse and varied company. Janeway commands, her crew obeys. Period.

- her lack of accuracy in the disciplinary treatment of some members of her crew (yes, Tom deserved to be punished for his behavior /disobedience to a direct order in "Thirty Days" but, why a double penalty, while Harry Kim, for the same fault, only got a a verbal or written reprimand, which would have had no consequence for his career? And what to say compared to the Doctor and/or the Maquis crew, who for each disobedience/ wrongful act ‎got a slap on the wrist...

Yes agreed. There was certainly inconsistency in her punishments. Did harry get a written reprimand? If so that would probably be a mark against him in a review for promotion or something

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Yes agreed. There was certainly inconsistency in her punishments. Did harry get a written reprimand? If so that would probably be a mark against him in a review for promotion or something

Due to his irresponsable behavior (not so much for having been intimate with a young woman but more for questionning Janeway's orders), Harry got a formal reprimand on his record, in the "The Disease". And as seeing as until now he's had a spotless record, this official blame won't avoid him to have a promotion as full Lt (more likely) or Lt Com. when Voyager will be back on Earth.

What was funny here is that Janeway recognizes, without being really aware, she has soft spots about some of them, no matter her defence.

1) conversation between Janeway & Chakotay in her Ready Room :

JANEWAY: Harry violated protocol. Frankly, I understand their position.
CHAKOTAY: Is that why you came down so hard on him? A formal reprimand for being intimate with a young woman?
JANEWAY: I know it seems a little extreme, but I wanted to leave a lasting impression. Chalk it up to growing pains.
CHAKOTAY: Well, he looks pained, all right. Until now he's had a spotless record. Maybe you should reconsider.
JANEWAY: What are you implying?
CHAKOTAY: Are you angry because Harry disobeyed orders, or because he let you down.
JANEWAY: I set the same standards for all my officers.
CHAKOTAY: If I object to one of your decisions you'll hear me out, even insist I speak up.
JANEWAY: You're my First Officer, he's an Ensign. He hasn't earned the right to question my orders, whatever his personal views.
CHAKOTAY: I see.


2) A conversation between Janeway and Harry in the Sickbay.

JANEWAY: And the reprimand still stands. I've been thinking about how I reacted to your relationship with Tal.
KIM: You reacted like any Captain would.
JANEWAY: Probably. But I can't help wondering if my response would have been the same if it had been, say, Tom Paris instead of you. Oh don't get me wrong, I still would have been angry and disappointed, but I wouldn't have been surprised.
KIM: Because Ensign Kim doesn't break the rules.
JANEWAY: The truth is, Harry, I think about you differently than the rest of the crew. Which isn't to suggest that I don't care deeply about each of them. You came to me fresh out of the Academy, wide-eyed with excitement about your first deep space assignment. From that first day, I've always felt more protective of you than the others.
KIM: I appreciate that. But that was five years ago. I've changed.
JANEWAY: Yes, you have.
KIM: Maybe I'm not the perfect officer anymore.
JANEWAY: Maybe not. But you're a better man.

 

[Prax]

Due to his irresponsable behavior (not so much for having been intimate with a young woman but more for questionning Janeway's orders), Harry got a formal reprimand on his record, in the "The Disease". And as seeing as until now he's had a spotless record, this official blame won't avoid him to have a promotion as full Lt (more likely) or Lt Com. when Voyager will be back on Earth.

What was funny here is that Janeway recognizes, without being really aware, she has soft spots about some of them, no matter her defence.

1) conversation between Janeway & Chakotay in her Ready Room :

JANEWAY: Harry violated protocol. Frankly, I understand their position.
CHAKOTAY: Is that why you came down so hard on him? A formal reprimand for being intimate with a young woman?
JANEWAY: I know it seems a little extreme, but I wanted to leave a lasting impression. Chalk it up to growing pains.
CHAKOTAY: Well, he looks pained, all right. Until now he's had a spotless record. Maybe you should reconsider.
JANEWAY: What are you implying?
CHAKOTAY: Are you angry because Harry disobeyed orders, or because he let you down.
JANEWAY: I set the same standards for all my officers.
CHAKOTAY: If I object to one of your decisions you'll hear me out, even insist I speak up.
JANEWAY: You're my First Officer, he's an Ensign. He hasn't earned the right to question my orders, whatever his personal views.
CHAKOTAY: I see.


2) A conversation between Janeway and Harry in the Sickbay.

JANEWAY: And the reprimand still stands. I've been thinking about how I reacted to your relationship with Tal.
KIM: You reacted like any Captain would.
JANEWAY: Probably. But I can't help wondering if my response would have been the same if it had been, say, Tom Paris instead of you. Oh don't get me wrong, I still would have been angry and disappointed, but I wouldn't have been surprised.
KIM: Because Ensign Kim doesn't break the rules.
JANEWAY: The truth is, Harry, I think about you differently than the rest of the crew. Which isn't to suggest that I don't care deeply about each of them. You came to me fresh out of the Academy, wide-eyed with excitement about your first deep space assignment. From that first day, I've always felt more protective of you than the others.
KIM: I appreciate that. But that was five years ago. I've changed.
JANEWAY: Yes, you have.
KIM: Maybe I'm not the perfect officer anymore.
JANEWAY: Maybe not. But you're a better man.

 

[Prax]

This reminds me of school. Every year, just before school starts at my daughter's school, The principal gives a talk to all the families together, an orientation. And when he gets to discipline, he always says "And remember, kids. Fair does not mean equal. Two children, that commit the same infraction, will not necessarily receive the same punishment."

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

In response to Prax, I'd say that, nothing more normal than "Fair does not mean equal", especially if we take into account the disciplinary history and/or general behavior of said pupil/ordinary individual but here, we talk about a group of 135-140 souls, who find themselves stuck on a vessel, in the middle of nowhere, who not only need to feel protected and reassured that one day, they will see their families again, but, who need too, to feel (that) they are EQUALLY considered regardless their ranks (when they were Starfleet officers) their past (especially for Maquis), their jobs (‎for all, the same is expected : that they perform ‎the best possible, the tasks/role, entrusted to) and treated fairly (whatever in term of encouragements, congratulations rebukes or punishments) by their commanding officer, because
working and living together for an undetermined delay. In short, each is important to the smooth running of the ship.
.
Don't get me wrong, and as I already said in my previous post, I understand that Janeway feels sympathy, affectation, motherly love (and maybe, even ‎physical attraction) according to the people concerned, towards her senior staff - hey, we all have preferences (children, family members, friends, colleagues or even pets), even if the most part of time we are not ready to admit it! - but it seems to me that revealling her feelings in a quite (and even too) ostentatious way, whether through body language, words and actions/attitude, to a little group of 7 or 8 people on 135 to 140 (I know that it was for the sake of the story!), was a judicial misconduct from Janeway's part because , 1) it is her responsibility as a Captain to remain distant towards all her subordinates (and not only in term of non-fraternization and/or frank camaraderie, what means a Captain cannot and does not have to befriend some crew members during a mission, regardless the duration & vice versa, because their journey doesn't know dead calm and they need to be 100% focused on their main tasks, which are, staying alive and making Voyager fly far and quickly to join the AQ and home), to decide actions &/or resolve conflicts, including within the crew, in total independence and with accuracy (and severity when necessary). Otherwise, she will lose all credibility and, will run a double risks : being accused of applying preferential treatment to some ‎in disregard of others, (what was cleraly true in Janeway's case, besides) and antagonizing some of the crew. Reputation is everything for a Captain, which uses to play with it and when this one is bad, believe me, that is hard to break! ; 2) the penalty should not be taken first in relation to the person who committed the offense but at the level of the fault = the penalty should be proportionate to the misconduct -> if a serious warning is required for some not considered serious, very well, but it seems to me that all offenses committed by our senior crew were pretty serious * and even dangerous for Voyager et her crew and would have deserved jail -> I remind you that IF these offenses these bad behaviors were committed in Starfleet/the Federation Action Zones, our friends would have been court-martialed (Janeway, Tom, Harry) then being sent to prison or worst, being fired AND for others (Chakotay, B'Elena), a long stay in a federal prison,with little discussion.
Of course, here, they were on a vessel, with no feedback so, Janeway had to do with what she had but seriously, if she could do without Tom for 1 month while his expertise in piloting was essential to a good naviguation in a hostile environment, it can be the same for Harry and B'Elena. As for Chakotay, Tuvok could easily replace him!

(*like the theft of equipment to go and lead his/her crusade, the disobedience to a direct order given by a commanding officer, the borrowing and data exchange for a service**, etc... )
(** according to Tuvok's personality, the little speech in shaped admonitions Janeway held to Tuvok, after he confessed to have made the decision to exchange the Voyager's database in exchange for equipment helping to return the vessel in AQ, worth all the jail stays! )

Coming back to the topic of Tom and Harry's sanctions for the same offense (the desobedience to a direct order given by the Captain), both deserved to spend 1 month in the brig. As for the notion of demotion, I compare it to a form of unnecessary humiliation! Besides, there is one thing I don't understand : how can Janeway boast of never having humiliated an enemy and applying this punishment to hers (Tom, former Equinox's crew) unflinchingly?!
-> I note that later, Tom recovered his pip, under a false pretense. Why not ot have offered the same opportunity to former Equinox's crew, who surely did their best to improve their image?!

 

[Voth commando1]

Janeway I think was genuinely principled like Picard yet far more personally vulnerable than he was, she had a fiancé and a dog. Her actions wayed down her immensely and she had to balance a lot of competing demands and wants-the obligation to get her crew home, the urge and obligation to explore(she had a scientific background recall), the want of personal companionship(Jaffen, Kashyk, Chakotay even) versus the need to keep a personal distance and professionalism from the crew.

She made a lot of choices and those choices I think were always for the benefit of the crew or the adherence to principle. She would on occasion be willing to sacrifice her crew or large parts of it in obedience to the Starfleet principles she obviously took seriously-Prey, yet at the same time cared about her crew's welfare-Workforce, Faces, etc...

 

[LJones41]

The Janeway debate? This fandom is still trying to label Janeway as a poor starship captain? It's not easy being a woman . . . especially a female lead in a science-fiction TV series.

 

[MacLeod]

The Janeway debate? This fandom is still trying to label Janeway as a poor starship captain? It's not easy being a woman . . . especially a female lead in a science-fiction TV series.

The question is. Are the complaints due to the fact that Janeway was female or the way that character was written?

What if Picard was female and written the same way, what would the reaction be?

 

[Refuge]

I can't buy into this debate because Janeway was a successful Captain. She nursed her ship home in an often hostile Quadrant often without Federation support. Her methods did that.

 

[Prax]

Picard was written by just as many writers (probably more) as Janeway, and Stewart seems to have taken a much less active role in how his character was depicted compared to Mulgrew.

Many people on here say Janeway is inconsistent, but never give any examples, and never show that her alleged inconsistencies are unique to her compared to the other captains.

 

[Voth commando1]

Those who use to read me perfectly know how I love Kathryn Janeway's character as well as a Starfleet Captain as a woman in her 40s, with her qualities AND flaws (which I never forgotten to quote). That being said, there are 2 things I really regretted :

- her lack of distance with and/or professional detachment from her crew during a mission, regardless the time spent together (7 weekes,; 7 months or 7 years). Of course, this didin't prevent she feels attached to some of her people and that some faithful friendships are born afterwards, but she didn't need to show it so clearly during the journey, ‎at the risk that some try to take advantage of the situation..., what happened besides, with varying degrees of success (Chakotay, Tom, the Doctor and even Seven).
-> as my former boss used to say (to anyone who listened) , " Une place pour chacun et chacun a sa place!" (= a place for everyone and everyone in their place!): she' a Starfleet captain, who was in charge of a vessel and a crew, not someone seeking diverse and varied company. Janeway commands, her crew obeys. Period.

- her lack of accuracy in the disciplinary treatment of some members of her crew (yes, Tom deserved to be punished for his behavior /disobedience to a direct order in "Thirty Days" but, why a double penalty, while Harry Kim, for the same fault, only got a a verbal or written reprimand, which would have had no consequence for his career? And what to say compared to the Doctor and/or the Maquis crew, who for each disobedience/ wrongful act ‎got a slap on the wrist...

I'd disagree with you on distance. I always thought Janeway was actually very Picard like in terms of the separation she imposed on herself from most of the crew.

I'd say she worked very hard to keep a level of professional detachment from most of the crew-only keeping Tuvok and later Chakotay as confidants. She mentored and was a mother figure to Kes, Seven, and B'lanna(she also gave Tom more than a few shots), but otherwise remained very distant from the crew.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Captains are pretty rigid people. They have to maintain control and if in any way they suggest that they are not in control, it has an immediate effect on the crew. Unfortunately, it does go hand and hand with the business of being a Captain, but there are other ways to get around that. Janeway showed that it was possible to be in control and still allow one's humanity to peak through... maybe too much, besides!

My biggest problems with Capt K.Janeway, are

1) her lack of distance with her senior officers. She is their Captain, not a mother, a sister, a loving interest or even a friend, damn it! -> not surprising that all have abused one time or another of her with the assurance of a slap on the wrist if they disobeyed a direct order!

2) her double standard attitude (between her senior officers and the rest of the crew; some senior officers who seem more privileged than others).

I don't feel that male Captains who preceeded/followed her were like that.... They were rigid, exigeant and always, retained control of people and situations, while Janeway was often forced to resolve crises generated by her own crew members (Tom, the Doctor, Harry, Chakotay, etc...), who had a little too much abuse their privileged situation.

And the risk of being scolded by some of you, I keep thinking that Janeway's relationship with her First Officer, wasn't healthy, because at least one of two was too emotionally involved (= in love) to distance ownself and to take a decision according to events and not on computations or feelings. As for the Captain of a vessel, she/he must remain of her/his mission and personal matters must not come to clutter her/his mind. A loving affair is everyting except something quiet. It brings good, painful and frustrating feelings/memories and with 2 people like Janeway and Chakotay, who are both emotionally passionate and stubborn, this could cause sparks but not in the good way. They could lose out on both count (friendship/romance).

 

[unimatrix7]

I'm starting to see a pattern in the way Michael Burnham is being portrayed over in the Discovery forum, and it's looking eerily similar to Janeway.

Michael Burnham, Trekkers now insist, had a 'mental breakdown' by nerve-pinching Georgiou to force a course of action that was rooted in logic and which she felt would've saved lives. It was probably an error in judgement, maybe even foolish, but the accepted wisdom in the Disco forum right now is that Burnham had a breakdown, is unstable, has PTSD. I tried to suggest for the sake of debate that perhaps she simply made a foolish decision, that it was the clash between her human self and Vulcan upbringing that prompted a wrong-headed application of logic. I got shouted down by the IM ENTITLED TO MY OPINION brigade.

Kathryn Insaneway Janeway nearly killed Crewman Lessing in the cargo bay during Equinox. She was, and still is, derided as a mentally unstable lunatic.

Benjamin Sisko irradiates the atmosphere of a Maquis planet to capture Michael Eddington. No problems there, perfectly reasonable.

Jonathan Archer commits umpteen dangerous, questionable, or downright reckless acts during the Xindi incident ('Damage,' for one). He's Trying to Save Earth, though, so coming across like a squawking, shouty madman and an incompetent hysteric is perfectly reasonable.

It's a woeful double standard.

 

[Voth commando1]

I'm starting to see a pattern in the way Michael Burnham is being portrayed over in the Discovery forum, and it's looking eerily similar to Janeway.

Michael Burnham, Trekkers now insist, had a 'mental breakdown' by nerve-pinching Georgiou to force a course of action that was rooted in logic and which she felt would've saved lives. It was probably an error in judgement, maybe even foolish, but the accepted wisdom in the Disco forum right now is that Burnham had a breakdown, is unstable, has PTSD. I tried to suggest for the sake of debate that perhaps she simply made a foolish decision, that it was the clash between her human self and Vulcan upbringing that prompted a wrong-headed application of logic. I got shouted down by the IM ENTITLED TO MY OPINION brigade.

Kathryn Insaneway Janeway nearly killed Crewman Lessing in the cargo bay during Equinox. She was, and still is, derided as a mentally unstable lunatic.

Benjamin Sisko irradiates the atmosphere of a Maquis planet to capture Michael Eddington. No problems there, perfectly reasonable.

Jonathan Archer commits umpteen dangerous, questionable, or downright reckless acts during the Xindi incident ('Damage,' for one). He's Trying to Save Earth, though, so coming across like a squawking, shouty madman and an incompetent hysteric is perfectly reasonable.

It's a woeful double standard.

I always criticized Sisko especially during the Eddington fiasco.

 

[unimatrix7]

I always criticized Sisko especially during the Eddington fiasco.

My read of it is that you and I are in the minority.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

You can add me in the list, unimatrix7 & Voth commando1! :-).
It even seems that Benjamin Sisko completly lost his mind by customizing pursuing a personal vendetta against Eddington, no matter the thousand of lives sacrificed to cath the man. So if neither Starfleet or the Federation has not been shocked more than that by his vengeful attitude, I don't see how one of the two might be shocked by Janeway's attitude with Noah Lessing or even Tuvix!
-> in both cases, as Captain of a vessel of 140 souls to protect, she was legitimate to take harsh decisions when necessary, even if this implies to sacrifice a living form (didn't she put her life in danger to others certainly in many opportunities?!). And then, her room for maneuver was limited, right?!

About the end of Equinox, I was almost shocked to see Janeway reconsidering her position about Ransom's fate. She has approved a deal with the nucleogenic creatures (the end of attacks against Voyager and her crew against the life of those who led experiences against their specie). I always thought that a Starfleet Captain's word was worth gold so, when did it change? Well, celarly, between between "Scorpion" (s3/4 and Equinox (s5/6)!<grin>

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Janeway's internal debate about what it means to be a Captain 70,000 light years away from home.

The Cloud
Stardate: 48456.2
Original Airdate: February 13 1995

JANEWAY [OC]: Personal log, Stardate 48546.2. Our journey home is several weeks old now, and I have begun to notice in my crew and in myself, a subtle change as the reality of our situation settles in. Here in the Delta Quadrant, we are virtually the entire family of man. We are more than a crew and I must find a way to be more than a captain to these people, but it's not clear to me exactly how to begin.

[Engineering]

(Janeway comes out of the turbolift and walks past a crewman gazing out of an observation window in the corridor, then into Engineering.)
JANEWAY [OC]: At the Academy, we are taught that a captain is expected to maintain a certain distance. Until now, I've always been comfortable with that distance.
(Torres spots her from the upper catwalk.)
TORRES: Captain, I didn't realize there was an inspection scheduled.
JANEWAY: Not an inspection, Lieutenant. A stroll.
TORRES: We should have the warp drive up and running by oh nine hundred hours. Recalibrating the reactant injectors is the only thing we have left to do.
JANEWAY: Carry on.
(She sees Chakotay in the hallway, quietly looking out a window at the stars)
JANEWAY [OC]: Maybe this is just the way it works. Maybe the distance is necessary. Maybe more than ever now, they need me to be larger than life.

[Mess Hall]

JANEWAY [OC]: I only wish I felt larger than life. Computer, delete last sentence.

*

And the debate isn't just Janeway's issue... its something chatted about in the lower ranks.

*
(Janeway enters. Paris and Kim are at a table, picking at their meal trays.)
JANEWAY: Gentlemen. As you were. So, has Neelix concocted anything interesting this morning?
KIM: There's an ancient Chinese curse, Captain. May you live in interesting times. Mealtime is always interesting now that Neelix is in the kitchen.
JANEWAY: We shouldn't judge him too harshly. He is helping us conserve replicator energy.
PARIS: And I'm sure the gastrointestinal problems will go away as soon as our systems get used to his, er, gourmet touch.
JANEWAY: Well, I'll see you at duty call.
(Janeway leaves.)
KIM: We should've asked her to join us.
PARIS: Ensigns don't invite captains to sit down.
KIM: Why not?
PARIS: Because they don't.
KIM: Well, what's wrong with showing a little courtesy?
PARIS: Captains don't want courtesy, they want respect. That's why they don't get chummy with the lower ranks.
KIM: Well, who else is she supposed to get chummy with out here? There aren't many other captains and admirals for her to talk to.
PARIS: If she wants to sit with us, she'll ask us to join her. That's the way it's done.
KIM: I think you're working from an old rule book, Paris.

*

I love this episode because it has this debate, not just because it has a fun alien of the week and great lines between Neelix and Janeway. I also love the end.

*

Captain's Log, supplemental. We set out to augment our energy reserves and wound up depleting them by over twenty percent. As a result, we've set a new course for a planet fourteen light years away that Neelix says might have compatible energy sources to offer us. It is out of our way, but circumstances offer few alternatives. So much for raising spirits.

[Turbolift]

KIM: Turning in for the night, Captain?
JANEWAY: Actually, I'm going to talk to an animal and then turn in. Something Commander Chakotay taught me. It's supposed to be quite therapeutic. You might want to ask him about it.
KIM: I will.
(Kim gets out of the turbolift then turns.)
KIM: Captain?
JANEWAY: What is it, Ensign?
KIM: Well, I don't mean to be out of place, but if you'd care to join us, you'd be welcome.
JANEWAY: Join you where?

[Sandrine's]

(Chakotay and Paris are playing pool.)
RICKY: Come on, Tommy. Let's get out of here.
PARIS: Easy, honey. I'm setting the Indian up for the big hustle.
RICKY: But he's beating you.
PARIS: Yeah, that's exactly what he's supposed to think, too.
(Janeway and Kim enter.)
JANEWAY: As you were. Well, this is remarkable. Mister Kim tells me this is your doing, Mister Paris.
PARIS: Er, yeah. It's just a little diversion, Captain.
GIGOLO: One always knows when a woman of good breeding enters the room. Ma cherie, may I request your favorite song so that we may dance before I take you to my private felucca on the wharf and make passionate love to you.
PARIS: I'm sorry. If I had some kind of warning that you were coming
JANEWAY: You would have changed it and I would've missed all the fun.
(Gary whispers to Torres.)
GAUNT GARY: I just don't know what the dolls see in the gigolo, do you? Now me, I got a whole different approach to women. Treat a lady like a tramp and a tramp like a lady. Never fails.
TORRES: Paris, did you program this guy?
PARIS: Yeah. Why?
TORRES: He's a pig, and so are you.
GAUNT GARY: Almost never.
JANEWAY: Is this pool or billiards?
PARIS: Er, pool.
JANEWAY: Right. Pool's the one with the pockets. Would you mind if I gave it a try?
GIGOLO: Reculez-vous. Give the handsome young woman some room. Tell me, does she have, er, money?
JANEWAY: Commander Chakotay, your stick?
CHAKOTAY: It's called a cue, Captain.
JANEWAY: A cue. All right. So what do we do? Do I go first?
(Paris allows Janeway to break. Three balls head into pockets.)
JANEWAY: Solids.
SANDRINE: (to Kim) I saw that coming a mile away, didn't you? Ah, you've got a lot to learn, jeune homme. But then, ah, I've got a lot to teach.
(Janeway lines up and eventually sinks her shot while looking away from the table)
JANEWAY: Eight ball in the side pocket.

JANEWAY [OC]: A-koo-chee-moy-a. We are far from the sacred places of our grandfathers and from the bones of our people. But perhaps there is one powerful being who will embrace this good crew and give them the answer they seek.

 

[iliescu]

Is some sort of dilemma though diverse crew could be sighted. Competent as captain to some degree, when thinking of Science Officers there is Spock. For captains the luck choice in feminism is Janeway to there as performance with respect to the other pick of captains in the Star Trek universe. Composed through much of the hardships the ship met and when redemption comes in requirement it came available. Surprising when tracing behind but fairly true. Good luck with them captains though eh.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Though Kathryn Janeway is an exceptional Starfleet captain with her strengths and weaknesses (for me, maybe one of the best one, according to exceptional circonstances), we must note that her crew went through
a lot during their journey of 7 years and they certainly saw its fair share of action under her captaincy, (->Harry Kim, Tal Celes, could not have hoped for a better learning!). :-D

I read that Kate Mulgrew jokely declared being "jealous" that a new female captain takes her place in ST fans hear, ... . That she can be reassured that, even if Captain Georgiou impressed me (and (Michelle Yeoh did an amazing job in 2 part épisode), ‎there will never be another captain like Captain Kathryn Janeway! :-D