I definitely see that possibility. Ahsoka, especially as a character, really speaks to the more rigid structure of the Jedi, a structure that we see reflected in this show.
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I kinda like the slower vibe of the series. More story, less action. I would have much preferred the series to start with the flashback as episode 3 is interesting and doesn't show the Jedi in the best light.
What?! 9000?!20,000? That is definitely over 9,000.
What?! Meaningless number that bears no weight?! I'm shocked and appalled!
They do leave behind a lot . . . in a galaxy of millions of worlds. Just because the evidence is out there, doesn't mean anyone knows where it is, even if they care enough to look.
Records get lost. Records of records get lost. So yes, time is a huge determining factor in all of this because entropy is not linear, but cumulative, and exponential. More time means more opportunities for mishap, misfortune, and misfiling.
What tends to survive more over the long run is oral traditions, and that comes down to what stories groups choose to tell themselves, and those tend to grow simpler, more metaphorical and more detached from reality as time goes on.
To bring it back to specific Star Wars lore; supposedly humans have no clue where they hell they came from in the galaxy past a certain point. Some assume Coruscant, but there's little to no proof, and probably ten dozen other planets that have counter-claims. Same deal: time erodes cultural memory just the way wind and rain can erode a mountain down to nothing.
Parents are allowed to refuse to give up their children to the order.
I kind of wonder if some Jedi hard-liners take a more Psycorps stance from Babylon 5. The kids can either become Padawans, or they become subject to "force-quieting", where they can no longer use their force-sensitive abilities if they or their parents reject the training.
I suspect their rationale is that they don't want to run the risk of having the kids be detected and picked up by Sith/dark-side practitioners (which don't have similar rules of conduct) that they're going to have to flat-out kill later in a fight.
Then again, these Jedi seem just as clueless about existential Sith threats as the ones in the PT. Yord in particular is such an exceptionally narcissistic dick. How did he ever make it through the trials with that smug attitude, much less earn the rank of Knight?
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He followed the rules.
There's less than zero indication of that, and I can't see Lucas ever going for such an idea, so it shouldn't even be a question.
What has been said is that if left untrained, the abilities of young force sensitives eventually fade. It's not a super-power after all, it's just a natural talent. For talents to become skills they need to be practiced, and if you go too long without practicing a skill, you'll eventually loose it and would have to start from scratch.
Also tapping into the force takes a certain open mindset that comes easily to young minds, but extremely difficult the older one gets. That's what Yoda was talking about when he told Luke he must unlearn what he has learned. An infant mind doesn't have any preconceived notions of what's possible, and so just accepts the universe as it is. As you get older you start putting up walls in your mind as you decide what can and cannot be done. All of this is half the reason the Jedi recruit so young in the first instance; Even with natural force users it's a struggle to teach them once they're too old.
So no; the Jedi don't "force hobble" people just because they don't join. If it were even a thing, and aside from being a horrific violation that they'd never go in for, it's entirely unnecessary. Hell, even the Sith didn't do that, and Sidious had a vested interest in putting force sensitives under tight control!
All very good points.
So, a blind adherence to rules (whatever they are) is sufficient to qualify oneself to be one of the most powerful class of enforcers in the galaxy during the time of the High Republic? That seems ridiculously dangerous and short-sighted on the part of the Jedi Order. D&D has a class of character archetypes called "Lawful Evil". They follow "rules" to a fault... but they're fucking evil!!! The D&D Wiki explains it pretty well:
Rule-followers, all. If the Jedi's only qualifications are to "follow rules", and take nothing into account the rest of a Padawan's character, it's no wonder that their well-deserved flame-out was only a few decades around the bend with Order 66 and were completely blind as to Palpatine's existence and the true existential threat that Anakin posed to literally everyone.
Yes.
A flaw they are regularly shown to have.
I think it explains a lot. Again, and human history teaches this, people can do a very good job of following the rules, passing the tests and being completely inappropriate. In the medical field, they are known as "007 doctors."
StarWars.com has a new article about the Bendok witches, which includes comments from Jodi Turner-Smith (Mother Aniseya), Margarita Lavieva (Mother Koril), and Jennifer Bryan (costume designer). It doesn't reveal any major new information, but it's worth a read.
I imagine it’s something of a social taboo, even if it’s legal.
Of course, that would depend on where you live.
I thought this was interesting:
“Dave Filoni very quickly became kind of a mentor of mine in terms of navigating what this part of the timeline would be like for both the Jedi and then other Force users,” Headland says. “It was kind of this ‘A-ha!’ moment for me when he told me, ‘You know, not all witches are Nightsisters.’”
Thank you for posting that. I remember seeing the latest episode, thinking, "Aw, shit, the Dathomiri again?" only to read the first line of this article, saying, "Not all witches are sisters of Dathomir."
Seems they have been fiddling about with similar dark-side force techniques that Palpy experimented with to "make" Anakin.
I'm finding the writing and editing of this show to be really clunky, though. Not even close to prior-aired series. Something happened at the end of the most recent episode that made me think, "what just happened?" but I can't be more specific as it transpired too quickly and I didn't have time to go back and re-watch. The scene where the coven was burning down and you could see young Osha running around the rubble looked really fan-filmish and amateur to me. In any case, I'm having a hard time liking this series in general. Not really finding any of the characters terribly likable or interesting (except maybe the Wookie - Kelnacca), and Master Sol's delivery is particularly wooden and plodding, but I'm not completely horrified by it. I'll keep watching...
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What makes it dark side? If anything, creation of life is a light side property. There is really nothing dark side whatsoever about the witches to this point.
I only say that because, while never explicitly mentioned in the PT, Palpatine recounted the "Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise" to Anakin:
No agenda here, just putting forward a theory that currently fits what's already been established on-screen.
Since it was also said on-screen by Shmi Skywalker to Qui Gon Jinn that Anakin had no father, and Palpatine knew of this Sith legend, it's not much of a leap of logic that the non-biologic creation of life through the manipulation of midichlorians is (to-date) a uniquely dark-side trait. No Jedi has been said to be able to do this, unless there's some obscure reference somewhere out there in the EU indicating as such.
No agenda here, just putting forward a theory that currently fits what's already been established on-screen.
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