Spoilers Star Trek: The Last Starship

[1001001]

In Treklit, there's a discussion about "The Last Starship", the series this is speaking about.

Thanks.

I don’t follow any of this stuff.

If it’s being discussed in Trek Lit then I’ll move it again. If the Mod there wants to merge it with the existing thread then they can do that.

Either way…moving again!

 

[David cgc]

As if comic books have ever been official

They're official (as in Paramount/CBS/Whoever Owns Star Trek This Week says "Give us some money and let us read them first to make sure you aren't doing anything that makes us look bad, and you're allowed to make Star Trek comics"), but not canon.

 

[tenmei]

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[tenmei]

The opening of the first issue had Sato essentially telling the Gorn “Everybody else has joined, so you should too… or else,” whether or not he or the writers quite realized that’s what they were doing.

"Or else"? Sato literally says that if the Gorn refuse to join the Federation, they will face no reprisal, other than Sato's disappointment. It's about the furthest you could get from gunboat diplomacy.

 

[FredH]

"Or else"? Sato literally says that if the Gorn refuse to join the Federation, they will face no reprisal, other than Sato's disappointment. It's about the furthest you could get from gunboat diplomacy.

I guess that’s fair — though I also find it ridiculous to think that (per the dialogue) the whole galaxy has joined the Federation. There’s just too much galaxy for that to be believable, a gazillion fictional galactic empires notwithstanding.

 

[Just a Bill]

They're official (as in Paramount/CBS/Whoever Owns Star Trek This Week says "Give us some money and let us read them first to make sure you aren't doing anything that makes us look bad, and you're allowed to make Star Trek comics"), but not canon.

Yep, that's an important distinction. Lots of things are "official" but that doesn't make them canon or even remotely worthwhile. Fortunately the powers that be have always done a bang-up job of making sure licensees don't do "anything that makes us look bad"!

, just to name a few.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Some kind of weird fanfic or something. I've been following this and well it's a thing alright..

Story was a fanfiction comic mixing various Trek periods and characters. I won't say more as to not spoil it.

You're certainly allowed to dislike the storyline, but officially licensed, professionally-produced comics are by definition not "fanfiction".

If it’s being discussed in Trek Lit then I’ll move it again. If the Mod there wants to merge it with the existing thread then they can do that.

The TrekLit mod does indeed want to merge it, so stand by for merging.

The TrekLit mod also gets grumpy about clickbaity thread titles that don't give an inkling of what the thread is about, so, you know, two birds, one stone, and such.

 

[thribs]

The art isn't great. Not the biggest fan of that style.

 

[JD]

I don't mean to keep ripping on Kelly & Lanzing, but I don't think I have ever come across Star Trek writers who's creative choice I disagree with more often. In terms of writing skill, they're pretty good, but the choices they make for their storylines I just find odd.

 

[Enterprise1701]

The story as a whole certainly takes a different approach than I would have, but that’s their call. The opening of the first issue had Sato essentially telling the Gorn “Everybody else has joined, so you should too… or else,” whether or not he or the writers quite realized that’s what they were doing. I also find it weird that everybody’s so distrustful of the Jurati Borg in the 30th century, when way back in the 25th it sure looked like they were about to become provisional Federation members. But again, I figure judge their story on its own merits, rather than “They didn’t do what I think they should have!”

Yeah, unless the authors are assuming that the Gorn are a spaceborne and not planet-based civilization, it really feels weird Captain Sato is speaking to Gorn ship commanders for such a serious negotiation. Where is their leader? Where is their political capital?

 

[thribs]

I don't mean to keep ripping on Kelly & Lanzing, but I don't think I have ever come across Star Trek writers who's creative choice I disagree with more often. In terms of writing skill, they're pretty good, but the choices they make for their storylines I just find odd.

Must be bad if you aren’t a fan. You usually like everything.

 

[JD]

Well, I just mean in terms of the actually dialogue and stuff they're pretty good, but I just don't like the story choices they make. The best example I have is making the Kahless clone in the ongoing series, in every other appearance he made he had not problem with the Federation, and was more of a philosophical character, but they turned into some kind of blood crazed, violent cult leader. I just really didn't like them taking the character in that direction. It just seemed to me to go completely against everything we've seen from the character before that.

 

[tenmei]

Yeah, unless the authors are assuming that the Gorn are a spaceborne and not planet-based civilization, it really feels weird Captain Sato is speaking to Gorn ship commanders for such a serious negotiation. Where is their leader? Where is their political capital?

Sato seems to be the Picard of his day, and we can assume the Gorn is equivalent. It's not like the Sagan just rocked up to the closest Hegemony ship and started making offers. Given that two ships havent exchanged fire for 35 years, traditional diplomats may no longer be a thing at this point - there certainly don't seem to be any diplomats present at the Quorum later on.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Must be bad if you aren’t a fan. You usually like everything.

Oh? I take it you did not hear about the climax premise of Star Trek: Year Five or the opening premise of Star Trek, the latter of which JD picks apart to my agreement:

Well, I just mean in terms of the actually dialogue and stuff they're pretty good, but I just don't like the story choices they make. The best example I have is making the Kahless clone in the ongoing series, in every other appearance he made he had not problem with the Federation, and was more of a philosophical character, but they turned into some kind of blood crazed, violent cult leader. I just really didn't like them taking the character in that direction. It just seemed to me to go completely against everything we've seen from the character before that.

The Year Five case is honestly even worse. They made Gary Seven the antagonist. Gary Seven, the guy whom Gene Roddenberry tried to make the protagonist of a TOS spin-off series! How? Why? It's like applying the Injustice premise to a mainstream Superman/Justice League story. I do not like it! I do not believe it works!

 

[JD]

They did? I saw some pictures of Gary Seven pointing a gun or phaser at Kirk, but I had assumed it was one of those stories where they start out at odds due to some misunderstanding, but works things out in the end and team up to stop the real threat.