*cough* Lucy Pinder *cough*
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That BIG canon violation (spoilers)
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so, I've read the whole thread, and I can't figure out a couple of things
I understand the ginormous cannon violation of meeting the Romulans before BoT. Maybe at the end of this movie J neuralizes everyone.
But perhaps you guys could explain another two...
1) How does adolescent Kirk know how to drive a Corvette in this movie, and yet in "Piece of the Action" he not only can't drive a car, but dialogue has Spock explaining to him what a car is? (And, furthermore, why wasn't he shot for trashing that beautiful car? Do these people have no morals?!)
2) In "Consience of the King", isn't it clear that teenage Kirk lived on Tarsus IV with his "parents"...how could George Sr. die on the Kelvin?
Have I just added fuel to the fire, or am I late to these realizations?
I understand the ginormous cannon violation of meeting the Romulans before BoT. Maybe at the end of this movie J neuralizes everyone.
But perhaps you guys could explain another two...
1) How does adolescent Kirk know how to drive a Corvette in this movie, and yet in "Piece of the Action" he not only can't drive a car, but dialogue has Spock explaining to him what a car is? (And, furthermore, why wasn't he shot for trashing that beautiful car? Do these people have no morals?!)
2) In "Consience of the King", isn't it clear that teenage Kirk lived on Tarsus IV with his "parents"...how could George Sr. die on the Kelvin?
Have I just added fuel to the fire, or am I late to these realizations?
Not necessarily. He said he was from Iowa, and only WORKED in outer space. There's a difference.
But, being this is some sort of "remake", there are bound to be changes.
Remember the 1920s cars? I thought not.
I couldn't drive one of those even after reading the operator's manual. Perhaps after a day or two of practice, perhaps not. And I always drive a manual stick shift. Hell, many cars back then used to have two clutches, gas pedals and shift sticks! The best and user-friendliest models resembled modern manual stick vehicles in configuration, but since they had unsynchronized gearboxes, it was notoriously difficult to find first, and even more difficult to find second.
I have driven an unsynchronized vehicle once - a Soviet jeep, of which many still litter our army depots. One is never bothered by the engine noise of those things, because one can't hear it over the noise of the gearbox. Basically, the things were built to last only long enough to get the Soviet forces from Russia proper to France...
It's not clear. It could just as well be that Kirk traveled a lot when young.
We know little or nothing about Tarsus IV, but we have reason to suspect that this 8,000-person colony was of isolationist-Luddite persuasion, to fall victim to a sudden poisoning of food reserves. Perhaps young Kirk joined a sect? Until now, we have been able to think that Kirk's parents might have been Luddites - but since George Kirk Sr. now appears to have been a Starfleet officer, the "travels a lot" theory seems much more credible.
Note that Kirk never brings up the issue of his parents when talking about the massacre in "Conscience of the King". Back in the olden days, we could speculate that Kodos executed Kirk's parents but the Captain was very good at hiding his anger after all those decades. Now it seems more natural to assume that Kirk's parents weren't even present on the planet.
All this assuming that Nero's interference doesn't change Kirk's personal history so much that the Tarsus thing is erased altogether. But for all we know, Nero did very little damage when killing the Kelvin. Kirk's dad might always have been destined to die in space, his profession being what it was. And most fanfic and novels indeed assume George Kirk died or disappeared in space when Kirk was very young, although many assume the dad was still with the son at Tarsus.
Timo Saloniemi
Explaining synchros to people has been done several times already on this board, ao I'll just point out that Spock was also very fond of pointing out facts and the blatantly obvious to either look smart or get a rise out of his friends. There I said it: Spock was more emotional than he'd ever let on. Most Vulcans are, which is why I always thought those kinds of objections for Enterprise were silly. They hide and control their emotions, they don't eliminate them.
That can't be Lucy Pinder. This woman's chest is bigger.
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^No, it's her. It's just the way she's standing, she's probably on her tip toes and she's leaning on the edge of the pool so her chest sticks out a bit more. That's from a number of photos taken last year I think with her boyfriend around the pool.
My God man, don't complain!
My God man, don't complain!
^No, it's her. It's just the way she's standing, she's probably on her tip toes and she's leaning on the edge of the pool so her chest sticks out a bit more. That's from a number of photos taken last year I think with her boyfriend around the pool.
My God man, don't complain!
c'est vrai. Google "Lucy Pinder" and "pool" and go to images. Remember to clean your keyboard.
I only had time to skim through this thread, so forgive me if this has already been said, but I thought it had already been established that Kirk's father and mother die on the Kelvin together? I don't know how to use spoiler tags.
^No, it's her. It's just the way she's standing, she's probably on her tip toes and she's leaning on the edge of the pool so her chest sticks out a bit more. That's from a number of photos taken last year I think with her boyfriend around the pool.
My God man, don't complain!
c'est vrai. Google "Lucy Pinder" and "pool" and go to images. Remember to clean your keyboard.
And I'm spent! Aw I love Lucy!
^No, it's her. It's just the way she's standing, she's probably on her tip toes and she's leaning on the edge of the pool so her chest sticks out a bit more. That's from a number of photos taken last year I think with her boyfriend around the pool.
My God man, don't complain!
c'est vrai. Google "Lucy Pinder" and "pool" and go to images. Remember to clean your keyboard.
And I'm spent! Aw I love Lucy!
I'd violate her with my big canon!
*rimshot*
These things are pretty minor. Star Trek's canon is very loose, anyway. Tons of contradictions throughout all the series and movies.
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OK, it just occurred to me that the title of this thread has taken on an entirely different meaning.
OK, it just occurred to me that the title of this thread has taken on an entirely different meaning.
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The place someone is born is not necessarily the place they are "from".
In my case, the city I was born in is not the same town I say I am from. When people ask me where I'm from, I tell them the town in which I was raised -- not the location of the hospital in which I happened to be born.
The only time I use the actual place of my birth is on official documents that ask "place of birth".
IF this film shows Kirk being born in space, but raised from the time of his infancy in Iowa, then I see no inconsistency with ST:IV when he said "I'm from Iowa".
^Indeed. In fact, it makes a lot of sense that a space kid who lost his parents but is "forced" to grow up in a rural area of Iowa might take on a bit of a rebellious attitude. It's like the kid from the big city who's forced to move to a sleepy little town with nothing to do.
Pretty easy, actually. Just highlight the text you want to put inside the spoiler tags,
I only had time to skim through this thread, so forgive me if this has already been said, but I thought it had already been established that Kirk's father and mother die on the Kelvin together? I don't know how to use spoiler tags.
then click the
button at the top right of the text entry box.
* It´s a new timeline. Canon don´t exists more.
Unless the elderly Spock's efforts in the film CORRECT changes that Nero and the Romulans have made by going back in time to begin with.
