If "Invasion: Iowa" didn't terminally piss them off, they're unpissable!
In fact, isn't that the state motto? Something like "Incredible, Unpissable - Iowa!"
That BIG canon violation (spoilers)
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If "Invasion: Iowa" didn't terminally piss them off, they're unpissable!
In fact, isn't that the state motto? Something like "Incredible, Unpissable - Iowa!"
On the bright side, at least Brannon Braga didn't write this into the script. Because then Kirk would emerge from his mother wearing a catsuit.
^^^ LOL.
So what.
If hes born in space hes born in space.
Doesnt mean anything other than, well, hes born in space.
i'd rather the latter version though, ala Hot (Dead Meat Thompson) Shots style, where she sees the Kelvin in one form of media or another perish, or gets the news about it and hey presto, pops out a Jimmy.
So what.
If hes born in space hes born in space.
Doesnt mean anything other than, well, hes born in space.
i'd rather the latter version though, ala Hot (Dead Meat Thompson) Shots style, where she sees the Kelvin in one form of media or another perish, or gets the news about it and hey presto, pops out a Jimmy.
We've never gotten any canon from a movie or episode until now saying just WHERE Kirk was born. Only one line in one movie saying where he's from, which can be entirely different from the location of your biological birth.
The big canon violation is already so obvious that there's no point in even questioning what it is.
Decades before Kirk commands the Enterprise, they see what Romulans look like. Totally "erasing" Balance of Terror.
Decades before Kirk commands the Enterprise, they see what Romulans look like. Totally "erasing" Balance of Terror.
Last week, a baby was born aboard a trans-Asian flight of our flag carrier Finnair, the first such birth for that company. She wasn't registered as having been born in (the airspace of) Kazakhstan, or in Finland as per UN recommendations would have it (had it been a BA flight, the UN would recommend she be marked as having been born in Great Britain), or in the departure city of Beijing, or in the ultimate destination city of Stockholm, but in the Swedish native town of the mother, as is the Nordic tradition in cases like this.
I'd think that in the Trek 23rd century, kids born in space would be registered as having been born on some suitable planet. It's not as if Trek starships are generation vessels or anything - they are more akin to today's airliners.
That aside, yes, Kirk being born in Iowa is another piece of false canon, much like Spock being the first Vulcan in Starfleet, or Kirk being the youngest starship captain ever, or McCoy having a daughter, or Uhura having the first name Nyota (or even having a first name). There's no pressing reason NOT to turn this false canon into real canon, but then again, no pressing reason to do that, either.
Timo Saloniemi
I'd think that in the Trek 23rd century, kids born in space would be registered as having been born on some suitable planet. It's not as if Trek starships are generation vessels or anything - they are more akin to today's airliners.
That aside, yes, Kirk being born in Iowa is another piece of false canon, much like Spock being the first Vulcan in Starfleet, or Kirk being the youngest starship captain ever, or McCoy having a daughter, or Uhura having the first name Nyota (or even having a first name). There's no pressing reason NOT to turn this false canon into real canon, but then again, no pressing reason to do that, either.
Timo Saloniemi
That's what I keep coming back to. Nero brings the Romulans back into the Trek world years before BoT.
As heresies go, that seems a far bigger one than splitting hairs over whether or not Kirk was born in Iowa or simply lived there. Especially since there's nothing on screen about where Kirk was born or the fate of his parents.
On the other hand BoT is on screen proof of the first contact with Romulans since the war the led to the Federation (or to put a finer point on it, at least Kirk's first contact). Orci and the others are saying that this movie starts the conflict with what fans will recognize as a major violation of canon. It flies in the face of one of the most popular TOS episodes.
OTOH, this is clearly a plot point in the movie, the deliberate result of time travel. Which sort of encourages us to think that the movie rests solidly on canonical basis, until a few fundamentals of that fundament are explicitly and blatantly changed in front of our very eyes, in a dastardly deed of villainy (by the villain of the story, that is!).
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
As far as I know, the only character to say where he/she was born was
Sulu. In TVH, they're about to land and he says, "San Francisco. I was born there." Kirk never said he was born in Iowa. Again, in TVH, when Gillian asks where he's from, Kirk says, "Iowa." Not, "I was born in Iowa." So even if Kirk is born on the Kelvin, most people identify where they come from simpy from where they were raised. End of manufactured canon violation!
-- RR
Sulu. In TVH, they're about to land and he says, "San Francisco. I was born there." Kirk never said he was born in Iowa. Again, in TVH, when Gillian asks where he's from, Kirk says, "Iowa." Not, "I was born in Iowa." So even if Kirk is born on the Kelvin, most people identify where they come from simpy from where they were raised. End of manufactured canon violation!
-- RR
true. Unless there's the wibbly wobbly altered timeline thing.
Hey, what are you doing with a picture of my ex-girlfriend!?
Anyway, the BIG spoiler is... are you ready?....
The revealing of the Romulans. Starfleet never saw a Romulan until the TOS episode, the "Balance of Terror."
EDIT: I see others have come to this conclusion as well.
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Oops, they must not have paid a royalty to Paramount.
Nice eye-candy...
...but in my 50 years of experience, anything more than a mouth full, is a waste.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/blaXXer/macroes/distractions.jpg
As for the Kirk born thing...
At least WE find out He is born during the movie...
(...either that..... or that guy behind her is really good with his hands...)
>snicker<
...but in my 50 years of experience, anything more than a mouth full, is a waste.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/blaXXer/macroes/distractions.jpg
As for the Kirk born thing...
At least WE find out He is born during the movie...
(...either that..... or that guy behind her is really good with his hands...)
>snicker<
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I have a way out, what if neither Nero, any of his men or Nimoy Spock ever calls the Romulans? That way there would be no problem as they would look like a radical and agressive offshoot of Vulcan...which is true anyway
Except that "New Kirk" is seen in one of the "Previewed" scenes, racing to the bridge, declaring that it's a Romulan attack. There's no question, in this movie, that the guys we see (and who Pike travels over to try to negotiate with) are Romulans. Is it possible nobody SEES them? Sure. But even with that... "Balance of Terror" states that nobody had heard from the Romulans in a century. This movie has a Pre-TOS plot where everybody knows that it's the Romulans they're facing (whether or not they know what they look like).
I can't remember: Who else is in the room when the "Balance" scene (about nobody ever having seen a Romulan) takes place? Kirk, Spock and anyone who was there during ST XI may have been deliberately trying to keep it secret for the benefit of anyone not 'in the know'.
