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It's still more intelligent than JJ Trek.
It's still more intelligent than JJ Trek.
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Says who?
They both make the audiences buy into incredible leaps in logic in order to enjoy the story.
Says who?
They both make the audiences buy into incredible leaps in logic in order to enjoy the story.
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I can only assume that since you like it, you've decided it must be smart. Perhaps your tastes aren't quite as sophisticated as you'd like to think.
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This is now a general Abrams' effect on the franchise thread.
There's been many claims to the effect that, the largest scale action movie is the only way Trek could have come back at all. Yet lower budget sci-fi movies happen all the time, and Trek of course has been done with very limited sets and special effects, so I don't see how this wouldn't have been one way to go? It doesn't even mean that things would look how they did back then, as cgi can be used on stuff costing only a few mills to impressive results.
Of course they're not shifting down biznezz now that they went into this direction. But even still it's not totally unheard of to do things a bit differently even in big money movies. A storyline like in Inception might be ridiculously rare, and even that had tons of action, but that's one example, and then there's Prometheus, which is more horror with philosophy (whether you found it any good or not), so ways indeed exist where the franchise even with big budgets could go...
Going back to Abrams, I was kinda looking forward to how the movie would look with a different director now that Abrams has done two, I guess that still is happening. If he did direct the next one, I don't know if he still has anything to give in terms of directing, as STiD seemed directed way more autopilot than 09 which had way more inspired directing.
In terms of producing, I still find it alright that he revived the franchise in 09, but, how long is he going to stay in charge, only to give 2 hours of action every 3-4 years? Seems like he's content with reviving it into more like a zombie, perfectly capable of making money, rather than a franchise that actually produces content, they should be moving on by now..
I've met lots of people programmed to think that money is the only thing a company ought to do, but even if most people in charge think that, there are actually at least two sides in any exchange, why'd you think the other should be all but ignored. You don't need to do anything about it, but you can at least recognise it as a fact.
When is the 'revival' starting to take full effect?
This is now a general Abrams' effect on the franchise thread.
Did you see Olympus Has Fallen? The imagery of the AGGRESSIVE president and the falling flag is something I'm not forgetting any time soon
Moving on.
There's been many claims to the effect that, the largest scale action movie is the only way Trek could have come back at all. Yet lower budget sci-fi movies happen all the time, and Trek of course has been done with very limited sets and special effects, so I don't see how this wouldn't have been one way to go? It doesn't even mean that things would look how they did back then, as cgi can be used on stuff costing only a few mills to impressive results.
Of course they're not shifting down biznezz now that they went into this direction. But even still it's not totally unheard of to do things a bit differently even in big money movies. A storyline like in Inception might be ridiculously rare, and even that had tons of action, but that's one example, and then there's Prometheus, which is more horror with philosophy (whether you found it any good or not), so ways indeed exist where the franchise even with big budgets could go...
Going back to Abrams, I was kinda looking forward to how the movie would look with a different director now that Abrams has done two, I guess that still is happening. If he did direct the next one, I don't know if he still has anything to give in terms of directing, as STiD seemed directed way more autopilot than 09 which had way more inspired directing.
In terms of producing, I still find it alright that he revived the franchise in 09, but, how long is he going to stay in charge, only to give 2 hours of action every 3-4 years? Seems like he's content with reviving it into more like a zombie, perfectly capable of making money, rather than a franchise that actually produces content, they should be moving on by now..
I've met lots of people programmed to think that money is the only thing a company ought to do, but even if most people in charge think that, there are actually at least two sides in any exchange, why'd you think the other should be all but ignored. You don't need to do anything about it, but you can at least recognise it as a fact.
When is the 'revival' starting to take full effect?
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Konata Izumi, how dare you interrupt a pissing contest.
Konata Izumi, how dare you interrupt a pissing contest.
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THANK YOU! Seriously, if your opinion of the films are negative, that's perfectly fine, but he doesn't seem to get that the personal attacks on the man are ridiculous, and make the rest of his opinions seem just as asinine.
THANK YOU! Seriously, if your opinion of the films are negative, that's perfectly fine, but he doesn't seem to get that the personal attacks on the man are ridiculous, and make the rest of his opinions seem just as asinine.
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I think a DREDD or SERENITY budgeted TREK would have been the way to go, with a strong story and unknowns and having the ability to scale up with successive films. You've got the name to draw a certain number, regardless of budget, and the possibility of attracting others on the basis of it being a good movie, AND you limit your investment, which means you don't have to spend another fortune on promotion.
This is now a general Abrams' effect on the franchise thread.
Did you see Olympus Has Fallen? The imagery of the AGGRESSIVE president and the falling flag is something I'm not forgetting any time soon
Moving on.
There's been many claims to the effect that, the largest scale action movie is the only way Trek could have come back at all. Yet lower budget sci-fi movies happen all the time, and Trek of course has been done with very limited sets and special effects, so I don't see how this wouldn't have been one way to go? It doesn't even mean that things would look how they did back then, as cgi can be used on stuff costing only a few mills to impressive results.
Of course they're not shifting down biznezz now that they went into this direction. But even still it's not totally unheard of to do things a bit differently even in big money movies. A storyline like in Inception might be ridiculously rare, and even that had tons of action, but that's one example, and then there's Prometheus, which is more horror with philosophy (whether you found it any good or not), so ways indeed exist where the franchise even with big budgets could go...
I think a DREDD or SERENITY budgeted TREK would have been the way to go, with a strong story and unknowns and having the ability to scale up with successive films. You've got the name to draw a certain number, regardless of budget, and the possibility of attracting others on the basis of it being a good movie, AND you limit your investment, which means you don't have to spend another fortune on promotion.
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Bingo.
I had fun with STID. I drank the hatorade on ST(09) when it came out and have since given the movie a shot without trying to hold it up to the what's come before and found it to be a fun movie with some really great scenes in it.
TMP is still may favorite ST movie. I still think FC is dull as dishwater and is basically a DS9 fanfic with TNG characters. I think Enterprise was ruined by to much catering to fans at the end and not enough risks taken in the first three seasons to make it stand out from what had come before.
The only rule I ascribe to Trek is entertain me and be fun to watch.
No. Wrath of Khan is riddled with nonsense, from the magical Genesis Device to embarrasingly and implausibly stupid codes ("Hours will seem like days... if we go by the book"), the Reliant somehow mis-counting planets in the Ceti Alpha system (how does one even reach Ceti Alpha VI when the system now has only five planets?) and a "superhuman genius" who is defeated because he can't comprehend that space is three dimensional.
Wrath of Khan is a fun movie, but to call it intelligent sci-fi is ridiculous.
Those rose-tinted nostalgia glasses at work.
I like for Star Trek to be fun, first and foremost. If something isn't fun to watch then what's the point in wasting time with it? Life's short, I want to enjoy it.
Bingo.
I had fun with STID. I drank the hatorade on ST(09) when it came out and have since given the movie a shot without trying to hold it up to the what's come before and found it to be a fun movie with some really great scenes in it.
TMP is still may favorite ST movie. I still think FC is dull as dishwater and is basically a DS9 fanfic with TNG characters. I think Enterprise was ruined by to much catering to fans at the end and not enough risks taken in the first three seasons to make it stand out from what had come before.
The only rule I ascribe to Trek is entertain me and be fun to watch.
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Of course you can go that way. But that's not the way Paramount chose to go and it's asinine to blame Abrams because Paramount decided that they wanted to make big-budget Trek. He simply stepped up to the plate and made the films.
And let's be honest, even the cheapest Trek film (The Wrath of Khan) had glaring lapses in logic. Spending less money doesn't preclude that from happening.
Of course you can go that way. But that's not the way Paramount chose to go and it's asinine to blame Abrams because Paramount decided that they wanted to make big-budget Trek. He simply stepped up to the plate and made the films.
And let's be honest, even the cheapest Trek film (The Wrath of Khan) had glaring lapses in logic. Spending less money doesn't preclude that from happening.
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Amen. As I've written before, STAR TREK is not just for Trekkies and was never meant to be some sort of exclusive, elitist thing aimed only at the cognoscenti. A good STAR TREK movie (or TV show) needs to appeal to general audiences and casual Trek fans as well.
"Popular" and "accessible" are not dirty words, and some of the best Trek has been made by people who weren't long-time Trek fans. (Hello, Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennett.)
Of course, you DON'T make a Trek movie just for the hardcore fans. That's not disrespectful. It's just common sense.
Amen. As I've written before, STAR TREK is not just for Trekkies and was never meant to be some sort of exclusive, elitist thing aimed only at the cognoscenti. A good STAR TREK movie (or TV show) needs to appeal to general audiences and casual Trek fans as well.
"Popular" and "accessible" are not dirty words, and some of the best Trek has been made by people who weren't long-time Trek fans. (Hello, Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennett.)
Of course, you DON'T make a Trek movie just for the hardcore fans. That's not disrespectful. It's just common sense.
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Quoted for truth.
Quoted for truth.
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But lots of people didn't think Star Trek Into Darkness was stupid.
But lots of people didn't think Star Trek Into Darkness was stupid.
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Please, show me one Star Trek movie that was the height of intellectual entertainment.
There's a message in STID about terrorism and the govt. creating wars in the name of peace, but that gets in the way of "Fuck Abrams!" so it's ignored for the most part.
Please, show me one Star Trek movie that was the height of intellectual entertainment.
There's a message in STID about terrorism and the govt. creating wars in the name of peace, but that gets in the way of "Fuck Abrams!" so it's ignored for the most part.
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A general audience. There isn't just one, nearly all movies are made to a niche, especially big action movies, seeing how sloppy they are in anything but the action.
Don't worry I was just about to join it
Plot logic is such a tiny part of things you could notice in telling a story. I wish people would just recognize stuff, even if they didn't direct their attention to it.
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But you should at least acknowledge they exist. Like in Nemesis when they find the pieces of a Data android, somebody could have mentioned Lore at least once without derailing the film, instead of everyone acting like they had been memory-wiped.
But you should at least acknowledge they exist. Like in Nemesis when they find the pieces of a Data android, somebody could have mentioned Lore at least once without derailing the film, instead of everyone acting like they had been memory-wiped.
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The plot pretty much drives everything.
The plot pretty much drives everything.
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But mentioning Lore doesn't make Nemesis a better movie.
But mentioning Lore doesn't make Nemesis a better movie.
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I've probably watched TNG a dozen times through easily and when I saw Nemesis, I never once thought about Lore.
He simply had no relevance to the film. In my opinion.
I've probably watched TNG a dozen times through easily and when I saw Nemesis, I never once thought about Lore.
He simply had no relevance to the film. In my opinion.
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