TAS made real....

[Maurice]

Yep.

The TOS Klingon ship was apparently gray with a faint purplish tint on top with a sort of sea foam green underbelly.

Of course, actual pink IS red...it's just very light red that in English we've given a different word to. In many languages it's just a shade of red. And different creatures see color differently, so who knows what pinkish shades look like to a Kzin?

 

[trynda1701]

You know, I never thought about the human blood colour connection.

I can't remember, did Niven give the colour of the ships in his Known Space series?

It's odd about ship colours in Trek. We know the different colours the Enterprise looked due to different film stock. It was years later, after seeing the repainted gray D-7 studio model in the Smithsonian collection, that I found out about the original colours. Yet it looked light grey on screen!

Plus, on TNG, isn't the Enterprise-D studio model duck egg blue, but always looked grey on screen?

Hence all the different colours I've seen Trek gaming minIs painted up as!

Looking forward to see what you come up with on your TAS interpretation of the Kzinti ship.

 

[Warped9]

I don’t recall where I read it, but somewhere there was a story that put forth the idea that Klingons could see red (as we see it) as black or something like that.

 

[Henoch]

Based on the Klingon uniforms, TAS Pink = TOS Metallic Gold. YMMV .

 

[Maurice]

Plus, on TNG, isn't the Enterprise-D studio model duck egg blue, but always looked grey on screen?

The D was like alternating ducks egg blue and sea foam green. You can def spot that in the remasters.

 

[trynda1701]

I don’t recall where I read it, but somewhere there was a story that put forth the idea that Klingons could see red (as we see it) as black or something like that.

One of the eighties/early nineties Pocket novels I think had that?

 

[Warped9]

One of the eighties/early nineties Pocket novels I think had that?

Yeah, it was a long time ago. I’m thinking it was either an earlier novel or maybe even one of Alan Dean Foster’s adaptation of the TAS episodes where he fleshed something out and added more backstory.

 

[Albertese]

I don’t recall where I read it, but somewhere there was a story that put forth the idea that Klingons could see red (as we see it) as black or something like that.

I wanna say that was The Final Reflection by John M. Ford. But I haven't read any Trek novels in quite a while so I might be misremembering.

--Alex

 

[aridas sofia]

“Hal Sutherland had a kind of color blindness that contributed to numerous color issues in the series. The art department compensated for this except for in "The Slaver Weapon", which features the pink-colored craft Traitor's Claw, and in "More Tribbles, More Troubles", in which the tribbles are also unintentionally pink.“

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hal_Sutherland

 

[trynda1701]

I wanna say that was The Final Reflection by John M. Ford. But I haven't read any Trek novels in quite a while so I might be misremembering.

--Alex

What I vaguely remember that a Klingon was legitimately onboard the Enterprise, but caught near a security area, because he couldn't read red writing (black to him or her) on a black background.

Something in the back of my mind is saying "Dwellers in the Crucible". I'll try and check.

 

[Warped9]

This sounds evermore familiar. But it underlines my initial point that aliens could perceive colours differently than us and thus ascribe different connotations to them.

 

[trynda1701]

This sounds evermore familiar. But it underlines my initial point that aliens could perceive colours differently than us and thus ascribe different connotations to them.

Yup. In SFB, Lyra ships I think have different hull patterns based on clans, which mini painters have shown as tiger stripes or leopard spots. I think that might be official in the SFB background.

And look at the Narn G'quan cruisers. Red main hull with the black wedges lined in white, like an alien cammo pattern!

But back to your TAS Kzinti cruiser!

 

[tesral]

The Vulcan shuttle was maroon pink like the Vulcan sky. Rather like how Ghost Grey is use on Earth. Not my work, another link.

The model use in filming.
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8f/e3/27/8fe32747e16a298b060785b0c122f6b3.jpg

 

[tesral]

Plus, on TNG, isn't the Enterprise-D studio model duck egg blue, but always looked grey on screen?

I've see the Six foot model. It is a slight blue.

 

[Maurice]

“Hal Sutherland had a kind of color blindness that contributed to numerous color issues in the series. The art department compensated for this except for in "The Slaver Weapon", which features the pink-colored craft Traitor's Claw, and in "More Tribbles, More Troubles", in which the tribbles are also unintentionally pink.“

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hal_Sutherland

Someone really needs to update Memory Alpha...

Regarding the pink colouring - Hal Sutherland's colour blindness has long been assumed to be the reason behind this oddity, but according to an interview with TAS storyboard artist/character designer Bob Kline (in the recently published "Star Trek: The Official Guide to the Animated Series") colour director Irvin Kaplan simply liked the colour pink.
Extract from page 26:

The reason pink was used has always been attributed to [Hal] Sutherland and Kaplan both being color-blind. However, that is not exactly the entire story. Sutherland was color-blind, but as it turns out, Kaplan was not.
"Pink equals Irv Kaplan," shared Kline... "Irv was in charge of ink and paint, coloring the various characters and props (and he would do it himself in his office, he would sit down with a cel and paint it). He was also referred to by many people there as the purple and green guy. You'll see it in a lot of scenes, purple and green used together -- that was one of his preferences. He made dragons red, the Kzintis' costumes pink. It was all Irv Kaplan's call. He wasn't listening to anyone else when he picked colors or anything."

You can hear the entire interview if you search out the podcast "Saturday Morning Treks", episode 26
http://www.trek.fm/saturday-morning-trek/26

Both episodes with Kline:

1. SATURDAY MORNING TREK 25: KLINE'S PASSION
2. SATURDAY MORNING TREK 26: IT IS GREEN...AND PURPLE AND PINK

 

[Warped9]

First colour tryout. And it's not bad.



I worked it out in Photoshop first by starting with a medium grey then adding magenta and touches of yellow and cyan. Once I had this colour I punched the RGB numbers into SketchUp's painting tool and then rendered it with a semigloss finish in Maxwell Render.

Lightening the tone would give me something more pink. As it is it's more magenta or medium rose. Once I settle on an overall colour then I'll add varying tones and other colours for detail. I think I'll make the yellow dome paler.

A lot more detail could be added to this, and I might add a bit more, but I think this is pretty close to what a decent miniature on TOS could look like. The bottom view shows the four landing struts retracted. You can also see the two impulse ports on the aft end. As I mentioned upthread I see this craft as being a 2 or 3 deck ship. Probably three. Because of the narrowness of the saucer outer sections those parts are most likely not habitable.

 

[Bernard Guignard]

Looks really good

 

[trynda1701]

That does look good. Honours the original, just not as pink!

How does it look against a white background, knowing how background contrast can affect colours?

I wanted to say make it a triple arrangement for the landing legs, to be more naturally stable, but with adjustable landing gear, it may not be necessary? Plus, after the explosion damages the ship, it's still level to the ground, so the three left, plus one possibly damaged forward leg, kept it level?

 

[Warped9]

A tripod arrangement might indeed look better.

 

[Santaman]

Interesting design, also that colour is nice and alien.