TAS made real....

[trynda1701]

A tripod arrangement might indeed look better.

If you do decide to go for a tripod arrangement, the saucer edge gets damaged from about the eleven o'clock position to nearly the two o'clock position. Here's a speeded up version of most of the episode to determine whether the damage from the explosion to the saucer edge would leave the forward legs undamaged if you went two forward, one aft.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Check at about 17:15 into the video.

 

[Warped9]

I have some quick figures based on a craft with three 10 ft. decks (allowing for the average male Kzinti being larger than the average human.

Height Overall (with landing struts retracted) = 35.382 ft.
Width Overall = 197.222 ft.
Length Overall = 166.851 ft.


A little more pink?

 

[trynda1701]

Honestly, like @Santaman said, that original colour was unusual and alien.

If you decide to keep it more pink, this one above should be as far as it goes for the main hull colour.

 

[Warped9]

I could see the last test having a more little grey to it. I also havenit added some varying tones to it yet. And it actually looks more dusty rose to me than pink.

 

[Redfern]

Here's a speeded up version of most of the episode...

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

I clicked to play before I read the "disclaimer". I found myself giggling as it seemed as though "deck crew" pumped the wrong atmosphere mixture into the shuttle's cabin!

"Alright, who's the bloody b*st*rd who switched the nitrogen percentage with helium?!"

 

[Warped9]

Ferocious kitties on the prowl. Getting closer with the colour.

 

[publiusr]

You have it pretty well dialed in-but I’m colorblind so...

 

[Warped9]

The colour is very similar to before, but desaturated. Basically I start with grey then add magenta until I get the tone I want. This time there are three tones of the same colour on the model.

 

[trynda1701]

I like that colour better than the second one. It's closer to the first one.

Is the desaturation the reason it looks less glossy that the first one? (Asking for a computer-art challenged friend! )

 

[Warped9]

In Maxwell I can affect the tone with a simulated finish which affects the shininess of the surface or how much light it reflects. In this case I am using a laquer texture simulating satin, gloss, semigloss or polished. The overall colour and the slightly darker tone are in semigloss while the darkest tone is in satin. The pale yellow dome is also in satin.

Desaturation simply greys out or progressively reduces the intensity or degree of colour.

 

[Stevil2001]

I don’t recall where I read it, but somewhere there was a story that put forth the idea that Klingons could see red (as we see it) as black or something like that.

One of the eighties/early nineties Pocket novels I think had that?

I wanna say that was The Final Reflection by John M. Ford. But I haven't read any Trek novels in quite a while so I might be misremembering.

--Alex

What I vaguely remember that a Klingon was legitimately onboard the Enterprise, but caught near a security area, because he couldn't read red writing (black to him or her) on a black background.

Something in the back of my mind is saying "Dwellers in the Crucible". I'll try and check.

The novel in question is Majliss Larson's Pawns and Symbols.

 

[trynda1701]

@Stevil2001

Thanks for that confirmation.

 

[Mytran]

“Hal Sutherland had a kind of color blindness that contributed to numerous color issues in the series. The art department compensated for this except for in "The Slaver Weapon", which features the pink-colored craft Traitor's Claw, and in "More Tribbles, More Troubles", in which the tribbles are also unintentionally pink.“

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hal_Sutherland

Someone really needs to update Memory Alpha...
Both episodes with Kline:

1. SATURDAY MORNING TREK 25: KLINE'S PASSION
2. SATURDAY MORNING TREK 26: IT IS GREEN...AND PURPLE AND PINK

It's surprising that MA is still espousing that old myth since the true story was well documented in "Star Trek: The Official Guide to the Animated Series", published in 2019.
Hal Sutherland was not the problem.
According to an interview with TAS storyboard artist/character designer Bob Kline, colour director Irvin Kaplan simply liked the colour pink. Extract from page 26:

The reason pink was used has always been attributed to [Hal] Sutherland and Kaplan both being color-blind. However, that is not exactly the entire story. Sutherland was color-blind, but as it turns out, Kaplan was not.
"Pink equals Irv Kaplan," shared Kline... "Irv was in charge of ink and paint, coloring the various characters and props (and he would do it himself in his office, he would sit down with a cel and paint it). He was also referred to by many people there as the purple and green guy. You'll see it in a lot of scenes, purple and green used together -- that was one of his preferences. He made dragons red, the Kzintis' costumes pink. It was all Irv Kaplan's call. He wasn't listening to anyone else when he picked colors or anything."​

 

[Maurice]

It's surprising that MA is still espousing that old myth since the true story was well documented in "Star Trek: The Official Guide to the Animated Series", published in 2019.
Hal Sutherland was not the problem.
According to an interview with TAS storyboard artist/character designer Bob Kline, colour director Irvin Kaplan simply liked the colour pink. Extract from page 26:

The reason pink was used has always been attributed to [Hal] Sutherland and Kaplan both being color-blind. However, that is not exactly the entire story. Sutherland was color-blind, but as it turns out, Kaplan was not.
"Pink equals Irv Kaplan," shared Kline... "Irv was in charge of ink and paint, coloring the various characters and props (and he would do it himself in his office, he would sit down with a cel and paint it). He was also referred to by many people there as the purple and green guy. You'll see it in a lot of scenes, purple and green used together -- that was one of his preferences. He made dragons red, the Kzintis' costumes pink. It was all Irv Kaplan's call. He wasn't listening to anyone else when he picked colors or anything."​

I edited the MA piece right after I realized it was still pumping that old myth.

 

[Mytran]

I edited the MA piece right after I realized it was still pumping that old myth.

Thank you
I possibly should have checked that first...

 

[Maurice]

Thank you
I possibly should have checked that first...

It now reads:

Hal Sutherland had a kind of color blindness that is often cited as contributing to various color issues in the series, such as in "The Slaver Weapon", which features the pink-colored craft Traitor's Claw, and in "More Tribbles, More Troubles", in which the tribbles are also pink. ("Drawn to the Final Frontier - The Making of Star Trek: The Animated Series", TAS DVD) However, storyboard artist/character designer Bob Kline laid the blame on color director Irvin Kaplan. "Pink equals Irv Kaplan," shared Kline... "Irv was in charge of ink and paint, coloring the various characters and props (and he would do it himself in his office, he would sit down with a cel and paint it). He was also referred to by many people there as the purple and green guy. You'll see it in a lot of scenes, purple and green used together -- that was one of his preferences. He made dragons red, the Kzintis' costumes pink. It was all Irv Kaplan's call. He wasn't listening to anyone else when he picked colors or anything." {"Star Trek: The Official Guide to the Animated Series", p. 26.)​

 

[Warped9]

I think I've got it.





I destaruated the main colour another twenty percent. Then when I created the other two tones by darkening them about ten percent or so I desaturated them again about another ten percent. The darkest tone looks even darker because it also has a satin finish rather than a semigloss finish so it reflects less light and thus looks darker.

The impulse engines are actually white emitters with a hint of yellow.

You know, this would make a wicked physical model. And the colouring makes it more distinctive. I must admit my initial instinct had been to make it more of a red hue, but I'm glad I persisted in seeing if this pinkish colour could be made to work. I think this could have looked right at home on TOS.


The underside view shows the tripod arrangement of the landing struts. Taking a cue from the onscreen version the landing pads are meant to evoke clawes somewhat, and mimicking the detail on the ship's upper surface. At about thirty forty-five degrees from the forward centre line you can see two slightly darker details on the ship's lowermost section that are meant to be a pair of access hantches--these are meant to swing down to form gangways when the craft is landed. I'm thinking of detailing the landing struts to show the craft landed, but I'm undecided on whether I'll bother modeling the access gangways lowered.

 

[trynda1701]

I know I'm probably being a nuisance here, but I preferred the previous colour in post #906 ("Ferocious kitties on the prowl") This looks too grey to me now.

As to the access gangway, perhaps it's similar to the C-57D from "Forbidden Planet", and the gangway is built into one of the landing gear struts, perhaps the forward one?

 

[BK613]

I know I'm probably being a nuisance here, but I preferred the previous colour in post #906 ("Ferocious kitties on the prowl") This looks too grey to me now.

Or use that color/colour in post #906 to enhance the details because I think it looks both too gray and monochromatic. And the episode does allow for a two-tone interpretation (as opposed to shadowing as there is none on the spheres):
http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x14/theslaverweapon_107.JPG

 

[Warped9]

The paler colour makes me think of...animal flesh. And I could see Kzinti finding the colour of a fresh kill somewhat...appealing. At least a fresh kill on their homeworld. And that others like aliens (to them) might find that odd or disturbing might be rather the point.