Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!

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  1. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    Kara does get a mention in the pilot script.

     
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  2. The Realist

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    ^ I'm not sure how much I buy Helbing's claims that it's been mere happenstance that they've eliminated any references to Supergirl and the other Arrowverse shows. Certainly a throwaway line like that wouldn't be obtrusive or time-consuming. In fact, it's more noticeable when they avoid any acknowledgment of Kara's existence where her name might logically come up, like at Martha's funeral or in connection with Clark's revelation of his identity to his sons. (Wouldn't "Does that mean Aunt Kara is Supergirl?" be a reasonable question to ask?)

    I think they're deliberately distancing S&L from the other shows, but that is actually fine by me. The show stands very well on its own without any Arrowverse fanservice clutter. A reference here and there might be fun, but it's not really necessary, especially if it undercuts the series' unique tone and identity.
     
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    So, new theory. The Superman on Irons' Earth didn't turn bad, but was taken over by a Kryptonian spirit or whatever as they said might be happening in the latest episode.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    Old theory.

    They gave the audience more clues than our heroes to come to that conclusion weeks ago.

    Google tells me that x-kryptonite is from 1950s Supergirl Comics, it does give humans kyrptonian super powers, but nothing about raising the dead.

    It's possible, that the Kryptonians that destroyed John Henry Iron's Earth, were humans with kyrptonian powers or humans with Kryptonian souls, and parallel history is about to repeat.

    It's sad when a TV producer thinks that they are clever, but they've just unintentionally ripped off "plan 9 from outer space" again.
     
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  5. Guy Gardener

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    They're going to recast Supergirl with a 19year old.

    "As an actress, Helen Slater has something very special, that few of us ever have: She's 19."

    Peter O'Tool in The Making of Supergirl The Movie.

    O.

    What if this is an Earth where Kara got here first?

    You'd need someone the same age as Helen Slater to play Supergirl.
     
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    Didn't he nearly blow up a couple of nuclear power plants? I know he thought he was doing it for a good cause, but the same can be said of every terrorist out there.
     
  7. TREK_GOD_1

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    Well put--after the first Metropolis act, most of Kidder/Lois' character "progression" was stuck on repeat, along with the "Can You Read My Mind"-ing business. Adams comes closer to behaving like a real journalist than most actresses who have taken on the Lois role.


    Cheap is right. The generally juvenile level of plotting of the majority of the Arrowverse series does not make them appealing for anyone over 12 years of age.



    Agreed, and that's applicable to most Arrowverse programs.
     
  8. Jayson1

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    You just know with this concept of putting the spirits of Kryptonians in people's bodies they are creating a excuse to bring Zod back who was killed in this universe.
     
  9. Guy Gardener

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    I'll tell you a story.

    The end of Jake 2.0

    They needed a week off to get some ducks in order.

    A rerun of America's Next Top Model, in the same timeslot, generated 3 times the ratings as Jake 2.0.

    Cancelled immediately.

    A rerun of ANTM costs considerably less to air than making a new genre show about a nerd with nanite powers playing super spy.

    Costs 75 percent less to acquire, and generates three times as much revenue.

    It's not about how many people are watching, it's about how much you can charge for an ad buy, because of how many people are watching.

     
  10. Christopher

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    It's a reasonable question in the minds of veteran Arrowverse viewers who are already familiar with Kara, but ideally, any work of fiction should be accessible for total newcomers, and references to outside things should only be made if they serve a real purpose within the story itself rather than just being continuity porn for the established fans. Granted, the Arrowverse has ignored that principle countless times in the past, but S&L is a new show trying to establish its own voice and identity and be accessible to a new audience that might not be familiar with the Arrowverse.

    After all, Superman is by far the most famous DC character in the Arrowverse, at least until Batman finally shows up, and the show is striking a very different tone than the other series. So it stands to reason that S&L has brought in a lot of newcomers who aren't aware of the larger Arrowverse and would be confused by gratuitous references to it. It's reasonable for the show to take the time to define itself as a solo entity before it begins easing that new audience into the larger universe it's a part of.

    So by that logic, a reference to Kara would only be a good idea if it served a meaningful purpose in the story about Clark and Lois and their kids and Morgan Edge and all that. If it's just an Easter egg for the established fans and contributes nothing else to the narrative, then it shouldn't be there.

    (Also, Kara isn't their aunt, she's their first cousin once removed.)
     
  11. Snaploud

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    I think you missed my point. The audience is being shifted from tv to streaming via free extended editions. The result is that a) streaming viewership (and related ad revenue) is more important than tv viewership in measuring profitability and b) declining tv viewership may just reflect that audience shift in platforms.
     
  12. Guy Gardener

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    Na.

    Disney plus and Netlix make their money from subscriptions.

    The CW App is free.

    A lot of people may be using the ap, but it's not making near as much money as the telly.

    Now if the app starts costing 6 bucks a month, for 4 million people, that's a new paradigm.

    Spirits or Phantoms?

    Souls in heaven, or Phantoms in the phantom zone?

    Directly contradicting both versions of the zone from Supergirl.

    If Zod isn't in the zone, because he died on Earth, then he can't come back.

    Although,. time is funky.

    They might grab a young Zod who is still in the Zomne, who has never fought Kal El.

    Which is something already done on Smallville.

    Colin Salmon!!!
     
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  13. marillion

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    Ahhhh.. Thanks for the clarification. Yeah... I really had no idea what was going on then. Looks like I need to revisit the Crisis episodes.
     
  14. Nerys Myk

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    There are like 5 million ads per episode. CW is making money on the ap.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

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    It costs 5 million dollars to make an episode of Supergirl.

    To break even, the app would have to charge one dollar per add.
     
  16. Nerys Myk

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    I’m sure their ad rates are more than a dollar. “5 million” was a joke about the number of ads not the cost.
     
  17. Guy Gardener

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    Burger Masters?
     
  18. TREK_GOD_1

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    Some continue to have a misunderstanding about the success of a property by shifting (an excuse) everything to streaming services, as though the production company/distributor considers traditional broadcast numbers negligible. They do not, as you have demonstrated. Whether on the CW or streaming, the Berlanti series have low viewership (compared to most long running series) and always have.
     
  19. Guy Gardener

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    The CW has lower over head.

    It's boutique.

    It costs them a lot less to saturate a narrow market, and then still make a generous profit.
     
  20. Enterprise is Great

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    Didn’t they retcon that death?