Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!

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  1. The Realist

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    Tomorrow night, at long last, the Man of Tomorrow and the most dangerous woman in the DC Universe return to our television screens. This is the place to talk about the episodes as they air.

    Up, up, and away!
     
  2. Tosk

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    I'm hyped!

    Trying to remind myself that this is just the first episode. It doesn't have to be my Superman everything, just...be good, please. :)
     
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  3. thribs

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    Can’t wait for this. Feels like ages since we last had a ArrowVerse show
     
  4. JD

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    We just got Batwoman last season.
    I've been debating all day if I wanted to to watch this or NCIS, but it turns NCIS is a repeat so that solves that problem. Really looking forward to it, I've really liked Tyler Hoechlin's Superman and Elizabeth Tulloch's Lois on Supergirl.
     
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  5. thribs

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    NCIS? Are you not bored of that show by now? It’s on its 18th season. :)

    I’m not a fan of Batwoman. Isn’t my cup of tea.
     
  6. The Realist

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    One hour to go!
    :wtf:
     
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  7. Dick Whitman

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    Only a half hour in and I am loving it so far.

    Spoiler thread so - seeing his original suit being classic Golden Age comics! Never used in live action before.
     
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    I miss the old days when we did running commentary while the episode was airing.
     
  9. Dick Whitman

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    So far I like Sam Lane. It’s realistic that he he would have concerns with Lois being married to Superman. But I was never a fan of him being an out and out villain. Seemed like a copy of General Ross in the Hulk.
     
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  10. Tuskin38

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    So the bad guy is from a reality destroyed by the Crisis reboot.
     
  11. Serveaux

    Serveaux Boomer American Premium Member

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    Well, this seems a little less basic than the other DC CW shows.

    Good.
     
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  12. Tuskin38

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    So an alternate reality Luthor. I think someone here guessed that.
     
  13. thribs

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    I didn’t guess it. That was leaked nearly a year ago.
    I enjoyed it. Some interesting observations. At the end of Crisis, Superman seemed confused that he had twins. Looks like the new reality has set in. Does he even remember what happened?
    They recast Lois’ dad as well. Rumor has it that Morgan Edge is also a different actor. I wonder if that was done to separate the show more from Supergirl. Speaking of which, no mention of her in this. I thought the kids would ask about Kara as well.

    I wouldn’t say Raiden was more interesting than Superman. All he does is consult the Elder Gods.
     
  14. TREK_GOD_1

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    Superman and Lois
    Season 1 Premiere - Episode 1 - "Pilot"


    Clark/SM: Eh. In the prologue, Heochlin was trying to hard to "Reeve it up" in the Daily Planet scenes.
    Although Clark thinks he's a failure as a parent (initially), he can only do so much, which means there's no ultimate control over how your children will choose to act. Still, as a parent, its understandable that he feels he's failing his kids, or no longer relating to them (similar to Jefferson Pierce's concerns in the first season of Black Lightning). T

    Lois: Tulloch never disappoints as Lois, and she sold balancing the professional and domestic sides of Lane. Being a mother, it was a no-brainer for her to see the possible benefits of living in an environment like that found in Smallville, which was refreshing, since so much of modern media has a hard-on for condemning anything other than American city life, particularly if those cities are on the coasts.

    Jonathan / Jordan Kent:
    Sooo, Jordan has Social Anxiety Disorder....and according to tests at the Fortress, its unlikely he has inherited Kryptonian powers..until he does. I am glad that popular, athletic Jonathan was not written off as the cruel "jock" stereotype, and tries to bolster his brother's ego. Now that Jonathan realizes he lacks powers (so far), I'm crossing fingers a jealousy sub-plot is never dropped on this series.

    Some might say Jordan was justified in being angry at Clark for never telling him the truth, but when the sons were children, it was not his secret to know for a very good reason; as a child, he would have never been able to comprehend any part of Clark's story (or his heritage), or they might have blurted out the secret in the way excited children are prone to do. Further, long before Clark and Lois had children, he "collected" endless enemies around the world (and some who were not so local), so trying to maintain the Clark side as completely separate from Superman was the right decision.


    Morgan Edge: Refitting the Smallville coal mines for some alternative energy production...at the start of the episode, I suspected he (and whoever is working for him) was the cause of the two reactor incidents Superman dealt with, until this series' Luthor revealed himself.

    Lana Lang Cushing / Sarah Cushing / Kyle Cushing : Class struggles galore, with Kyle writing off anyone from Metropolis--especially Clark, who he all but accused of abandoning Smallville for the big city and its politics (through the Planet).

    Sarah being so interested in Jordan was a nice touch, subverting assumptions that she would naturally be attracted to Jonathan. I suppose Jordan will have to play "weakling" to Sarah's boyfriend in a Peter Parker / Flash Thompson sort of relationship, but I'm seeing her boyfriend as the unrelenting type who will have revenge on his mind going forward.

    Sam Lane: I do like his being understanding of the complicated dynamics of Clark being pulled in two directions of responsibility, and while he reminds Lois of that, he's not trying to force either to make some hard decision about their lives.

    NOTES:
    No surprise that even in the flashback to the Daily Planet, James Olsen would be nowhere to be seen--and according to Supergirl's pilot, he was the first person to take Superman's photo, so he had to be working for the Planet before Clark, and should have been there--or even referred to.

    Yeah, having Jordan be the son to inherit powers was supposed to be the twist (not really--I saw that coming), the sons--thinking there's something they do not know about themselves needed more work, as their curiosity just comes out of nowhere. Their part of the plot would have worked with a flashback to various stages of their childhood, where odd things seem to happen to/around them.

    Ahh, there were a few shots lifted from Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, with an injured Superman falling back to earth. That, and the Kent farm almost lost. Well, if you're going to steal, steal from the best.

    The painfully, so obviously padded Superman suit needs to go, or Hoechlin needs to bulk up.

    Overall, the series feels like it operates in its own world, not sharing any of the storytelling approach or even many references to the other DC-CW series, which seems (for the moment) like an etched-in-stone choice.

    GRADE: B-
     
  15. TREK_GOD_1

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    I noticed that, too. As mentioned in my review, it seems like the series is set in its own world, so there's no mention of Supergirl, but I would not put it past the showrunners to have her show up right around the conclusion of whatever arc ends her series.
     
  16. thribs

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    They have confirmed it’s set in the ArrowVerse. Probably just wanted to keep the pilot simple.
    Also because Supergirl isn’t currently on the air they might be ignoring her to avoid spoilers from her story.
     
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  17. Serveaux

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    Meh, padded suits don't bother me. Every Superman is padded.
     
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  18. The Realist

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    I unfortunately don't have time to write at length, but I'm delighted (and a bit relieved) to say I loved almost everything about it. Already knew Hoechlin and Tulloch would bring it, but the rest of the actors and characters made strong impressions as well. Already liking Jordan and Jonathan very much. Love Martha Kent as the guardian angel of Smallville, and the way she continues to help her son and gently guide his path even in death. The only small reservation I had early on was the overall seriousness of tone (I tend to like my Super-stories a little lighter on their feet), but I saw the benefit of that as the characters and story continued to deepen. I think this is going to be a great journey, and a different Superman story than has been told before in any medium.
     
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  19. Dick Whitman

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    That half hour special after the Pilot had a segment just an the Arrowverse. Taking about the importance of being part of a larger world. No talk of what the plans are yet but certainly a shout-out to fans that they have not forgotten that this show is part of that world.
     
  20. kirk55555

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    I didn't watch the episode, but I saw the Golden Age suit/homage online, and that was pretty cool. I wish it was in a show focused on Superman and not a couple of shitty teenagers, but its still nice to see a non-murderous Superman who isn't allergic to color, and referencing his comicbook roots as well. Even if I'll only ever see this Superman on TV if he crosses over with The Flash, its nice to know that, even if only for about 45 seconds an episode in between all the horrible teenager stuff, a decent live action version of Superman will exist.