I figured it's because Peacemaker was successful. It's nothing more complex than that there's no need to throw a success overboard.
Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion
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My assumption is that John Cena and The Rock are friends.
With the friends and family discount, Teth-Adam might make an appearance in Peacemaker eventually, unless he burnt all the bridges when he tried to take over the DCEU?
Saw it and it is a very good start für Gunn's DCU and if they can keep up that level ( i have great confidence that they can) the DCU is shaping up to be really good.
I'm not reading 24 pages but i'm sure what i'm saying has been said many times - finally a Superman who wears his heart on his sleeve. As he says in his final confrontation with Luthor he's human ( in all but blood) - he's scared, he makes mistakes, he loves and he just wants to do good and it is his one guiding principle he got from his parents, both birth as well as adopted ones.
What i really love is the twist with the second part of the message, that his birth parents wanted him to be a "soft" conqueror and rule Earth and it is an amazing writing choice because it let's Gunn show how utterly decent Superman/Kal El/Clark Kent is as a person that he rejects that second part of the message completely.
Also a very good choice to skip his origin, everybody who has even passing knowledge of Superman knows his backstory so why do it again? Loved how basically everybody knew about his secret identity, how Clark and Lois thought their relationship is secret ( yeah, in a building full of investigative journalists) and how he also basically tells eveybody his "secret" identity
I worried a bit that all the other superheroes might overshadow or drag the story down but it didn't, they were onscreen for just the right amount of time with Mr. Terrific getting a bit more screentime as he helps uncover the secrets of Luthor. Absolutely adored Fillion as Guy Gardner and hope to see more of the "gang" ( which we will starting with Peacemaker Season 2, another nice cameo).
The end was fantastic too - Milli Alcock literally "dropping" by as a foulmouthed party girl picking up her equally unruly dog and Gary showing him videos of his parents and we see Superman's real parents on Earth playing as he relaxes, perfect ending.
I was always more of a Marvel man myself and the MCU reigned supreme for a very long time in popculture over the DCU ( in my mind deservedly so) but this may be the changing of the guard as Marvel is struggling tremendously to reclaim lost glory while Gunn just put a rocket motor under DC.
If Marvel can get back to its former glory and DC catches up it will be a really cool time for Superhero fans. There is no superhero fatigue if the movies are good, it's that simple.
I'm not reading 24 pages but i'm sure what i'm saying has been said many times - finally a Superman who wears his heart on his sleeve. As he says in his final confrontation with Luthor he's human ( in all but blood) - he's scared, he makes mistakes, he loves and he just wants to do good and it is his one guiding principle he got from his parents, both birth as well as adopted ones.
What i really love is the twist with the second part of the message, that his birth parents wanted him to be a "soft" conqueror and rule Earth and it is an amazing writing choice because it let's Gunn show how utterly decent Superman/Kal El/Clark Kent is as a person that he rejects that second part of the message completely.
Also a very good choice to skip his origin, everybody who has even passing knowledge of Superman knows his backstory so why do it again? Loved how basically everybody knew about his secret identity, how Clark and Lois thought their relationship is secret ( yeah, in a building full of investigative journalists) and how he also basically tells eveybody his "secret" identity
I worried a bit that all the other superheroes might overshadow or drag the story down but it didn't, they were onscreen for just the right amount of time with Mr. Terrific getting a bit more screentime as he helps uncover the secrets of Luthor. Absolutely adored Fillion as Guy Gardner and hope to see more of the "gang" ( which we will starting with Peacemaker Season 2, another nice cameo).
The end was fantastic too - Milli Alcock literally "dropping" by as a foulmouthed party girl picking up her equally unruly dog and Gary showing him videos of his parents and we see Superman's real parents on Earth playing as he relaxes, perfect ending.
I was always more of a Marvel man myself and the MCU reigned supreme for a very long time in popculture over the DCU ( in my mind deservedly so) but this may be the changing of the guard as Marvel is struggling tremendously to reclaim lost glory while Gunn just put a rocket motor under DC.
If Marvel can get back to its former glory and DC catches up it will be a really cool time for Superhero fans. There is no superhero fatigue if the movies are good, it's that simple.
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Well, two "constructs" that have been popular with GLs for decades have been boxing gloves and hammers. Throw in giant fans and scissors and you have most of the arsenal...
I agree with your entire review (including your position on the MCU and the DCU) but this bears repeating. I'm so sick of people (including certain famous directors) trotting out this same old whining. As you said, there is no superhero fatigue. All we ask for are good, fun, engaging adventures.
I haven't seen it yet. I've heard it's a mess because too much is going on. I've heard comparisons to Black Adam. I hope not. I don't think it will surpass the first 3 Christopher Reeve films for me.
Yes. I love the 3rd with Richard Pryor. The effects were still top notch(i.e. Superman freezes a lake and uses the ice to put out a chemical fire). I even enjoy the comedic bits. Richard's with skies and a pink blanket as a cape. Lol. Comedy gold. I love that movie.
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I thought it was pretty easy to follow myself. And IMO none of it weighed down the movie like Spiderman 3. If they had tried to explain everyone's backstory then it would have been a problem. Instead it was more of "here these characters are. Enjoy.".I haven't seen it yet. I've heard it's a mess because too much is going on. I've heard comparisons to Black Adam. I hope not. I don't think it will surpass the first 3 Christopher Reeve films for me.
Yes. I love the 3rd with Richard Pryor. The effects were still top notch(i.e. Superman freezes a lake and uses the ice to put out a chemical fire). I even enjoy the comedic bits. Richard's with skies and a pink blanket as a cape. Lol. Comedy gold. I love that movie.
It really isn't.
My wife is not into superheroes at all and it all made perfect sense to her - maybe it's one of those things that fans overthink?
So, Supes was Krypto's substitute/secondary owner.. explains alot..
I disagree. People tend to tire of things eventually, or else we’d still be watching wall-to-wall Westerns.
Good point about overthinking. We have generations of people that grew up on cartoons like "Super Friends," "the Incredibles," "the Tick," etc. The idea that there are groups of superheroes running around a given city with little or no explanation isn't a difficult grasp at this point.
Absolutely. Think of all the characters in Star Wars that originally had no backstory or explanation who they are. They served a role in the story. If popular enough they might get development somewhere else. Now fans expect everything explained in first appearance or they feel robbed… some actors too. If they were “promised more” I can understand frustration. But in the entertainment business there are almost no real guarantees and never have been.
Get a good Western out there and people will watch, it's just not in fashion at the moment but give it a string of really good movies that are great commercial successes and chances are Hollywood will jump on the bandwagon.
Superheroes were pretty low before Marvel made Iron Man and even they gambled by taking a what was at best a 2nd tier character at that time in the comics and a former washed up star as the lead and it paid off and launched the genre into the stratosphere.
When it gets to the point of, "you've seen one, you've seen 'em all," people will be fatigued.
Kevin Smith reviews Superman, in-depth and with digressions to personal anecdotes, as he does. If you enjoy listening to Kevin Smith, here's 83 minutes of it. If you don't, he liked the movie.
I agree. We really don't know enough. I don't think we can even make a full judgment on the El's at this point based on the message they received. Their intentions seem to be more colonial, IMO, and perhaps they are ignorant about how their message comes off. There are cultures today where people have multiple partners, and perhaps if Krypton's information about the Earth comes from such a society in the past then Lara and Jor-El might be basing their conclusions on that. Their information might even be thousands or tens of thousands of years out of date. BTW, I think this was a great move a Gunn's part to set up all these questions in the first movie and withhold some of the answers.
As for Kara, we literally just meet her at the end of the movie. Nothing is mentioned about her prior to that so we have no clue about her backstory.
I'm never sure what's intended to be accomplished by delivering a blow-by-blow synopsis of a movie as part of this kind of review. I mean, he throws occasional asides like "this was cool," into the middle of the recounting, but most of it is just like a kid on the playground describing a TV show he watched last night.
Da clicks! People can have opinions without needing to see the film!
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