Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion

[DarrenTR1970]

Nesmith was 24 years old when the Monkees first aired. Before that, he spent about four years trying to make it as a professional musician. Unless you're implying that his mother should have bought him a career, or that he should have gone into liquid paper business, he had to do something to make it as a professional musician.

(Nesmith is a fascinating character, btw. Arguably invented both country-rock and MTV, produced Repo Man and ended up suing PBS--and winning $48m--for breach of contract/rights issues)

If you don't already have it, I would recommend 'The Monkees Day By Day' by Andrew Sandoval.
It's just like the cover says, it's a day by day account of the hiring, recording sessions and filming of the episodes up to Pool It.
It also touches on the various solo careers post Monkees.
Poor Peter Tork, he left the Monkees and couldn't get anything going after that and left hundreds of hours of songs and song fragments in the vaults.

 

[the G-man]

Poor Peter Tork, he left the Monkees and couldn't get anything going after that and left hundreds of hours of songs and song fragments in the vaults.

I always got the impression that Peter Tork would have been a lot happier and healther if, not unlike Nesmith, he embraced his country-folk roots and just went off to play bluegrass somewhere.

 

[Captaindemotion]

The Wrap is claiming that Brainiac will be the villain in Man of Tomorrow

James Gunn's 'Man of Tomorrow' Villain Is Brainiac | Exclusive

Superman and Lex Luthor will team up against uber villain Brainiac in “Man of Tomorrow,” TheWrap has exlcuisvely learned.

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[Nerys Myk]

The Wrap is claiming that Brainiac will be the villain in Man of Tomorrow

James Gunn's 'Man of Tomorrow' Villain Is Brainiac | Exclusive

Superman and Lex Luthor will team up against uber villain Brainiac in “Man of Tomorrow,” TheWrap has exlcuisvely learned.

www.thewrap.com

I thought that was the rumor since the jump?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I thought the same.

Fingers crossed for Stephen Fry.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Nesmith was 24 years old when the Monkees first aired. Before that, he spent about four years trying to make it as a professional musician.

His most notable pre-Monkees success was as a writer, specifically creating the song "Different Drum" (1964) recorded by the Greenbriar Boys in 1966, but would become the breakthrough hit for the Stone Poneys, aka Linda Ronstadt's first group in 1967. That put her on the map.

(Nesmith is a fascinating character, btw. Arguably invented both country-rock

I would not say he invented it, but certainly was one of the forerunners of mainstreaming it (long before the breakthrough of acts such as CCR in 1968), as he was writing / producing that kind of music predating and from the start of The Monkees and was one of the recognizable musical leanings on most of their albums.

 

[ichab]

Nesmith was 24 years old when the Monkees first aired. Before that, he spent about four years trying to make it as a professional musician. Unless you're implying that his mother should have bought him a career, or that he should have gone into liquid paper business, he had to do something to make it as a professional musician.

(Nesmith is a fascinating character, btw. Arguably invented both country-rock and MTV, produced Repo Man and ended up suing PBS--and winning $48m--for breach of contract/rights issues)

What's also important to know is that his mother wasn't rich when he was slugging it out in the early to mid 60s.

Graham formed the Mistake Out Company in 1956. She developed alternative formulas for quicker drying times and better application brushes. Sales were about 100 bottles per month in 1957; however, they increased fivefold when the correctional liquid appeared in The Office magazine, which led to a large corporate order from General Electric.

In 1958, Graham renamed her business the Liquid Paper Company and applied for a patent and trademark. By 1968, the company "had become a multimillion-dollar organization, breaking ground on a huge business and manufacturing facility in Dallas, Texas. LPC scaled internationally and eventually opened offices and manufacturing plants in Canada, England, Belgium and Australia". By 1975, "Liquid Paper was producing 25 million bottles a year and holding a vast share of a multimillion-dollar market that had spawned several competitors, like Wite-Out".

Graham sold Liquid Paper to Gillette Corporation in 1979.

So the product didn't really take off until around the time Nesmith was in the Monkees. Plus, Mike wanted to be a musician, not work for a company.

 

[Noname Given]

I thought that was the rumor since the jump?

It was.

 

[the G-man]

I would not say he invented it, but certainly was one of the forerunners of mainstreaming it (long before the breakthrough of acts such as CCR in 1968), as he was writing / producing that kind of music predating and from the start of The Monkees and was one of the recognizable musical leanings on most of their albums.

Good point. I should have probably put "invented" in quotes as I intended it more or less how you described it.

Semi-related fun fact:

The arrangement of Steve Young's "Seven Bridges Road" that the Eagles made famous actually came from a Nesmith produced album by Ian Matthews, on which Nesmith also performed:

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Prior to Nesmith, 7BR sounded like this:

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[DarrenTR1970]

What's interesting is the overlap between The Byrds and Nesmith.
The Byrds recorded Sweetheart of the Rodeo at Columbia Studio with studio musicians in Nashville in March 1967, followed shortly thereafter by Nesmith recording his tracks for The Monkees Present album, at RCA Studio in Nashville with those same session musicians.

 

[Christopher]

So the product didn't really take off until around the time Nesmith was in the Monkees. Plus, Mike wanted to be a musician, not work for a company.

That actually sounds like it could've been the basis for a Monkees episode. In fact, I'm not entirely sure it wasn't. (I really need to rewatch the show sometime.)

How did we get onto this subject in a Superman thread? I guess from Lois's bad spelling to Liquid Paper to Mike Nesmith, but still, that's some serious free association going on.

 

[Dee1891]

This is entirely mistaken.

No . . . this is not a mistake on my part. Merely my opinion.