Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion
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I agree with the sentiment, and I’m happy for the kid. But I’m also glad he wasn’t in my theater.
Teschmacher turns out to be great!After seeing the trailer my friends second complaint (first one was Krypto) was Eve and her selfies. He never guess it would be a plot point.
Even if Jimmy calls her "Mutant Toes."
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I agree with your good points, but would like to clarify the bad ones. Gunn has said that Kara's attitude comes from her growing up on a heavily-damaged piece of Krypton that survived, but she had to watch all those she loved get sick and die. Clark also says in the film that she likes to party on other planets, suggesting that she's hiding her grief behind a reckless lifestyle. As for the message from Jor-El & Lara, Gunn said that was in his very first version of the script. He wanted to heighten the contrast between nature and nurturing, showing that Clark chose to fight for good in spite of what his birth parents may have wanted.
I dont think anyone did. It seemed so over the top and out of place that I thought "this woman is so into herself that she would selfie during a stick up" Then it turns out the selfies were clues. She outsmarted us all.After seeing the trailer my friends second complaint (first one was Krypto) was Eve and her selfies. He never guess it would be a plot point.
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There is no need to clarify as I got the "reasoning" behind it. I still think those are bad choices. Keep in mind its the only two choices I disagreed with. The rest of the movie was awesome. I can't wait to see where Gunn goes with this.
One other thing I just thought about....the monkeys typing hate posts all day on the internet. Classic. Also ironic with the monkeys that bashed this movie without seeing it.
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Did Gunn slip in a wink and a nod to Fillion's role in "Dr. Horrible"? In the Hall of Justice scene, Guy says something about using his ring to create a giant hammer.
Sorry. I was being opaque. I'm expecting the movie to be inspired by the comicbut not follow the story verbatim. I'm speculating, knowing the comic, how the movie could adapt the story while incorporating the Kara we see at the end of Superman.
I saw Gunn's Superman last Friday night with my wife (the kids were at camp ha ha).
I loved the film. It has heart, it has characters ripped right from the comics and I loved the focus on kindness, which has faded as an American value. Corenswet, Brosnahan, and Hoult were great leads. Loved Edi Gathegi's Mr. Terrific and Fillion's Guy Gardner.
My wife loved it too. She wasn't crazy about the violence of Man of Steel and she was prepared for more of the same and was surprised how much she enjoyed the new film. She actually liked it more than the original Superman: The Movie and Superman II.
Again, I loved the film, but, for whatever reason, I still like Superman: The Movie and Superman II a little more. Maybe that's all due to Christopher Reeve, I don't know. Reeve is still the number one Superman for me, but Corenswet and Superman and Lois' Tyler Hoechlin are 2 and 3 (haven't decided what order).
I had a few peeves though:
1. I didn't care for the depiction of the Kendra Saunder's Hawkgirl. She seemed really spoiled and unlikable. I can't see Hawkgirl siding with Guy about not wanting to help Superman. Guy yes, Kendra, no way.
2. It was great to see Metamorpho, but, again, he didn't seem exactly like Rex Mason. Rex always seemed like Marvel's Thing, bitter about his looks, but a tough guy with a soft interior who would bth out Batman.
3. The big twist with Jor-El and Lara: I'm not going to spoil it. It worked well for the movie and underlined it's theme, and it isn't exactly unprecedented in the some depictions of Superman's origins in the comics.
That said, I would rather have had it the other way, which is far more traditional in the Superman origin stories. That said, I have an idea how to fix this (and I'm sure others on this thread have the same or similar ideas), that could naturally lead to a plot for the next film. I'm thinking about messaging Gunn with it if possible but I would not be surprised at all if he is already planning to go in that direction based on what he said about Bradley Cooper returning as Jor El.
All in all though, the film is great and much much more preferable to both Man of Steel and Superman Returns (and obviously better than Superman III and IV).
I loved the film. It has heart, it has characters ripped right from the comics and I loved the focus on kindness, which has faded as an American value. Corenswet, Brosnahan, and Hoult were great leads. Loved Edi Gathegi's Mr. Terrific and Fillion's Guy Gardner.
My wife loved it too. She wasn't crazy about the violence of Man of Steel and she was prepared for more of the same and was surprised how much she enjoyed the new film. She actually liked it more than the original Superman: The Movie and Superman II.
Again, I loved the film, but, for whatever reason, I still like Superman: The Movie and Superman II a little more. Maybe that's all due to Christopher Reeve, I don't know. Reeve is still the number one Superman for me, but Corenswet and Superman and Lois' Tyler Hoechlin are 2 and 3 (haven't decided what order).
I had a few peeves though:
1. I didn't care for the depiction of the Kendra Saunder's Hawkgirl. She seemed really spoiled and unlikable. I can't see Hawkgirl siding with Guy about not wanting to help Superman. Guy yes, Kendra, no way.
2. It was great to see Metamorpho, but, again, he didn't seem exactly like Rex Mason. Rex always seemed like Marvel's Thing, bitter about his looks, but a tough guy with a soft interior who would bth out Batman.
3. The big twist with Jor-El and Lara: I'm not going to spoil it. It worked well for the movie and underlined it's theme, and it isn't exactly unprecedented in the some depictions of Superman's origins in the comics.
That said, I would rather have had it the other way, which is far more traditional in the Superman origin stories. That said, I have an idea how to fix this (and I'm sure others on this thread have the same or similar ideas), that could naturally lead to a plot for the next film. I'm thinking about messaging Gunn with it if possible but I would not be surprised at all if he is already planning to go in that direction based on what he said about Bradley Cooper returning as Jor El.
All in all though, the film is great and much much more preferable to both Man of Steel and Superman Returns (and obviously better than Superman III and IV).
Oh yeah!Okay.
You know, there's so much that goes on in this movie, and everyone's got at least a few good bits, the supporting characters have agency and move the story in ways that they never have in previous Superman movies - I mentioned Mr. Terrific, but they could spin off a goddamn Jimmy Olsen TV project from this film.
They really could.
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This Jimmy Olsen is all sorts of awesome. He is the best ever! Exactly what Olsen should be, not a geek, but a cool dude.
Y'know, with respect to the Reeves films, Superman: The Movie and Superman II, the sfx were cutting edge for the time. They could not have done better at the time than they did on those films. Superman IV's sfx went to a cheaper fx house due to the film's low budget and it shows. In this day and age, the sfx of the first 2 Reeve's films, and even Superman III, which was awful, don't bother me at all.
And I don't see what's outdated about the supporting characters. I dunno, I've watched a lot of old films on TCM and every one of them is a time-capsule of the time it was made, even the Star Trek films. I've hardly ever had a problem enjoying an older movie. They are what they are and there is a reason they become classics, like the original Star Wars, Jaws, Superman, etc.
Add George Reeves to that list, and you have my personal Mount Rushmore of live-action Supermen.
I was just happy to have Jimmy Olsen back as he was completely ignored in Man of Steel and killed within minutes of BvS.
I feel the same way. Superman The Movie was so ahead of its time and laid the groundwork for Superhero films that came after it. For me it will always be the best. And despite the slapstick that Lester tacked on to II, it's still a great sequel. For me you can't watch one without the other. But Gunn's Superman is certainly the best one after those two.
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Y'know, you're absolutely right!
Oh, yeah! Sorry!Add George Reeves to that list, and you have my personal Mount Rushmore of live-action Supermen.
My mom watched the Superman TV show as a kid and I ended up seeing a lot of them too. George Reeves was a great, classic Superman! Yeah, Reeve, Corenswet, Hoechlin, and Reeve on the Superman Mount Rushmore!
Someone needs to draw this!
Because Zack Snyder thought it would be a "fun" thing to do with the character. That's the Snyder-verse for you.
A couple of other things:
I guess Gunn is using the Justice Gang as a stand in prequel to the eventual Justice League of America. Not a bad idea there at all. I was wondering why that group consisted of Mr. Terrific, who was the leader of the JSA, and Hawkgirl, who was in the JSA before joining the JLA, and Guy Gardner, was in the JLI. I guess Gunn just picked some B-list characters that he liked for the Maxwell Lord sponsored group, regardless of their membership in the comics. In the comics, they actually had a business sponsored group IIRC, the Conglomerate, which had Booster Gold as the leader after he quit the JLI, so there's a precedence for this. I would have loved it though if they had actually just used the JLI characters: Beetle, Booster, Guy, Fire, Ice, and hell, J'onn. Probably too many characters and Terrific was useful for the science stuff in the story. I've always thought Terrific was a great character. He was awesome. And Guy too!
I guess Gun wanted to show that the Justice Gang was a group by giving them uniforms like Terrific's costume. Terrific looked great, but I would've much rather Guy was wearing his GL uniform with his vest and roach-stompers. Oh well!
Also, although the Engineer character was a great baddie for the film, I'm kind of wondering how Gunn will reconcile that character with the Engineer of The Authority with the same name. The Authority's Angie was a scientist and a good person and I can't see her joining up with a scumbag like Lex.
I'm looking forward to Supergirl and seeing Mamoa as Lobo. His Aquaman just never clicked for me. It was too different from the character in the comics. He's a natural for Lobo.
I'm also looking forward to the Brave and the Bold Batman film (I think it should just be called Batman and Robin, but maybe Gunn doesn't want to use the title of the worst Batman film ever). Gun is trying to adapt Morrison's Batman run, probably the first arc, Batman and Son, which is great. Despite The Flash's failure at the box office, I think Andy Mushietti is the right guy to direct the first DCU Batman film. I liked what he did with Michael Keaton in The Flash and some of his other films.
The only DC project I'm a bit concerned with is the Lanterns TV show. It looks like it is something new by Tom King, who I've just started reading with Batman. I think he's a great writer, but he's only done one issue of Green Lantern to my knowledge. GL became a breakout book with Geoff Johns famous run, and I'd feel better if Johns was the showrunner for the GL show, but I guess that the bridge between him and DC/Warner's has burned down in the wake of the Whedon Justice League fallout and the general failure of the previous DCU. I'm also concerned that Lanterns will kill off Hal Jordan or make him Parallax. I guess we'll see.
I guess Gunn is using the Justice Gang as a stand in prequel to the eventual Justice League of America. Not a bad idea there at all. I was wondering why that group consisted of Mr. Terrific, who was the leader of the JSA, and Hawkgirl, who was in the JSA before joining the JLA, and Guy Gardner, was in the JLI. I guess Gunn just picked some B-list characters that he liked for the Maxwell Lord sponsored group, regardless of their membership in the comics. In the comics, they actually had a business sponsored group IIRC, the Conglomerate, which had Booster Gold as the leader after he quit the JLI, so there's a precedence for this. I would have loved it though if they had actually just used the JLI characters: Beetle, Booster, Guy, Fire, Ice, and hell, J'onn. Probably too many characters and Terrific was useful for the science stuff in the story. I've always thought Terrific was a great character. He was awesome. And Guy too!
I guess Gun wanted to show that the Justice Gang was a group by giving them uniforms like Terrific's costume. Terrific looked great, but I would've much rather Guy was wearing his GL uniform with his vest and roach-stompers. Oh well!
Also, although the Engineer character was a great baddie for the film, I'm kind of wondering how Gunn will reconcile that character with the Engineer of The Authority with the same name. The Authority's Angie was a scientist and a good person and I can't see her joining up with a scumbag like Lex.
I'm looking forward to Supergirl and seeing Mamoa as Lobo. His Aquaman just never clicked for me. It was too different from the character in the comics. He's a natural for Lobo.
I'm also looking forward to the Brave and the Bold Batman film (I think it should just be called Batman and Robin, but maybe Gunn doesn't want to use the title of the worst Batman film ever). Gun is trying to adapt Morrison's Batman run, probably the first arc, Batman and Son, which is great. Despite The Flash's failure at the box office, I think Andy Mushietti is the right guy to direct the first DCU Batman film. I liked what he did with Michael Keaton in The Flash and some of his other films.
The only DC project I'm a bit concerned with is the Lanterns TV show. It looks like it is something new by Tom King, who I've just started reading with Batman. I think he's a great writer, but he's only done one issue of Green Lantern to my knowledge. GL became a breakout book with Geoff Johns famous run, and I'd feel better if Johns was the showrunner for the GL show, but I guess that the bridge between him and DC/Warner's has burned down in the wake of the Whedon Justice League fallout and the general failure of the previous DCU. I'm also concerned that Lanterns will kill off Hal Jordan or make him Parallax. I guess we'll see.
That doesn't mean there's a plot hole.
Kara might not have heard the message Jor-El and Lara made for Kal-El.
Even if she had, that doesn't mean that she thought it was appropriate information to share with Kal-El.
Perhaps even, Kara was partying like it was 19,999 precisely because she thinks Kryptonians, especially the bigoted variety like Jor-El and Lara, and maybe even Zod, Non, and Ursa, were awful beings who set a poor example for the species of the cosmos.
I've no doubt professional authors could come up with half a dozen other possibilities that would quote patch the hole unquote.
It's simply too early to know exactly what Gunn has up his sleeve, especially since this is a new angle for Jor-El and Lara.
And this encapsulates why Snyder was the wrong choice. No respect for the source material. Gunn on the other hand loves comics, loves these characters and tries to find moments for them to shine. The difference is night and day.
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