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Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion

How would you rate Superman?

  • You'll believe a man can fly

    Votes: 22 36.7%
  • A

    Votes: 8 13.3%
  • A-

    Votes: 10 16.7%
  • B+

    Votes: 10 16.7%
  • B

    Votes: 6 10.0%
  • B-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • C-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A pocket full of Kryptonite

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • Total voters
    60
I liked that idea too. Apparently test audiences didn’t, though, for whatever lowest-common-denominator reason, and Gunn bowed to their preferences. At least those have been the rumors/reports.

The movie doesn’t suffer for not including the title cards, but it would have been a cool touch IMO.
With that in mind, remember all the doomsaying about the test reviews and last-minute studio-enforced changes to the film (may have been significant cuts) that would ruin the film? Any idea what those changes may have been or was that all hot air?
 
No real idea. I would imagine a lot of it was hot air, in its modern incarnation of clickbait. Gunn claims DC Studios is independent to the degree he doesn’t have to take notes from anybody but Safran, though that seems rather improbable to me.

One thing that’s probably telling is that there weren’t a lot of scenes glimpsed in the trailers or from the location shooting that aren’t in the final film.

I like the way the film’s cut and paced, though if they wanted to release an extended edit on Blu-ray, that wouldn’t hurt my feelings any, either.
 
With that in mind, remember all the doomsaying about the test reviews and last-minute studio-enforced changes to the film (may have been significant cuts) that would ruin the film? Any idea what those changes may have been or was that all hot air?
The only thing I heard confirmed that got changed after test screenings was they cut a scene of the Engineer kicking Krypto because the audience got really upset and hated it.
 
The only thing I heard confirmed that got changed after test screenings was they cut a scene of the Engineer kicking Krypto because the audience got really upset and hated it.
See, something like that is absolutely fair and I wouldn't have liked that either (regardless of my own previously mentioned feelings about Krytpo).

That said, I'm surprised Gunn, who has previously demonstrated his anti-animal cruelty stance, would include such a scene in the first place.
 
See, something like that is absolutely fair and I wouldn't have liked that either (regardless of my own previously mentioned feelings about Krytpo).

That said, I'm surprised Gunn, who has previously demonstrated his anti-animal cruelty stance, would include such a scene in the first place.

Well Krypto is a superhero as much as superman. That means a villian might beat him up. It doesn't mean Gunn isn't anti animal cruelty. Most people are. It's just that villians are bad people and Ktypto being a super crime fighting dog is always in danger of being hurt or killed. With that said I get it. No one wants to see a dog beaten in a movie.
 
See, something like that is absolutely fair and I wouldn't have liked that either (regardless of my own previously mentioned feelings about Krytpo).

That said, I'm surprised Gunn, who has previously demonstrated his anti-animal cruelty stance, would include such a scene in the first place.

Probably something to show how evil the bad guys are. Though they really didn't need it with the later murder of the food vendor in the pocket universe.
 
How is it modernized?
Aesthetically and culturally.
Back in the early 2010s they were emulating a lot of 90s comics.
MoS has a beautiful aesthetic that sadly hasn't been recaptured since.
It was serious in its story structure, showed us what'd really happen if Superman was a reality.
"This man is not our enemy". Kal had to earn his place and respect amongst humans.
It’s embarrassed to be a Superman movie.
It isn't. Storywise it's his very first day as Superman when Zod comes in and wreaks havoc.
It’s just faux edgy schlock trying to be serious when it’s the most braindead, uninteresting take on “what if Superman really happened”.
Nah, what you call faux edgy I call it being different than the quippy Marvel products at that time.
Not saying Marvel was bad in their offering but Snyder tried to do something different.
WB just fucked up everything otherwise MoS had more going for it than Batman Begins or Iron Man 1.

The flying scenes are cool and the Zod fight is fine, the true shame is that Cavill never got to shine as Superman. He could’ve been great if given good material.
Agreed but MoS was good material. Now BvS, specially the theatrical cut. YIKES.
 
They're really starting to get desperate over on YouTube.
I've seen a couple of clickbait headlines in the effect of, "Adjusted for inflation, 'Man of Steel' still made more money on opening weekend compared to 'Superman'." = Flop!
 
They're really starting to get desperate over on YouTube.
I've seen a couple of clickbait headlines in the effect of, "Adjusted for inflation, 'Man of Steel' still made more money on opening weekend compared to 'Superman'." = Flop!
Adjusted for inflation, Man of Steel cost 85 million dollars more to produce than Superman. Flop!! :guffaw:

"Adjusted for inflation" where the movie business is concerned is always a dodge aimed at winning barroom arguments. Partly because it's based on the premise of "All other things being equal" as far as costs and consumer behavior are concerned.
 
That said, I'm surprised Gunn, who has previously demonstrated his anti-animal cruelty stance, would include such a scene in the first place.
Well, he's probably anti-torture too, but he included the Russian roulette scene.

The reason being to make the villain as despicable as possible. Who would punch a dog?

BTW, I believe it was Ultraman who was supposed to punch Krypto. Feels...Bizarro. ;)
 
They're really starting to get desperate over on YouTube.
I've seen a couple of clickbait headlines in the effect of, "Adjusted for inflation, 'Man of Steel' still made more money on opening weekend compared to 'Superman'." = Flop!

Who on youtube is saying this? The movie is clearly going to be profitable at this point. It's exceeded expectations.
 
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