Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion

[JD]

What I liked

* Nicholas Hoult is a brilliant Lex Luthor and probably the best version on film for me.

* Action scenes are easier to follow than Snyder's version.

* Krypto is wonderful.

* David Corenswet's & Rachel Brosnahan are really good as Clark/Superman & Lois.

* Guy Gardner/Green Lantern & Mr Terrific are really strong additions.

* Beautifully shot.

* I like that Jonathan Kent is alive

* Love the casting for Perry and Jimmy Olsen actually had something to do, which was cool.

* The interview scene with Clark & Lois was great and something we really needed in BVS.

* Liked the touch upon Social media mis use with troll/bot farms mirroring real life.

What I didn't like

* Superman felt a little weak for Superman.

I thought he was presented at just the right power level, I don't like him to be to powerful, there needs to be at least a little big of danger and challenge in his fights.

* The start of the film made me feel like I had missed the actual start and the universe feels too far along - Something BVS got criticism for.

I loved that about it, I thought it was fun to get a universe where superheros and portals to pocket universes and kaiju are just a part of every day life.

* Making his parents evil, in particular his dad. I loved what Snyder and Crowe did with Jor-El so this change was meh.

I thought that was an interesting change of pace, and really helped to clarify just how important the Kents were in making Clark the person he is today.

* Hawkgirl felt under developed as opposed to the other of the Justice Gang.

In a movie like this, there are always going to be a few characters who don't get a ton of development.

* Justice Gang sounds stupid but it does sound like a spinoff movie we might get in the style of Guardian of the Galaxy.

That's kind of the whole point.

* Movie felt a little chaotic at times like the random battle with the little creature that became massive and the random squid thing that just pops up.

OK this is a fair complaint, but I wasn't bothered by it.

* Speaking of that squid thing --- The gag of the Gang fighting the giant squid thing in the background during a serious conversation with Lois/Clark was really stupid and inappropriate with the tone.

That was one of my favorite scenes in the movie, I love that this a universe where that kind of thing happens and there are enough other superheroes that he can just blow it off. It wasn't that big of a threat, so he didn't need to go rushing off to help.

* Lex use of POWERFUL tech like making a pocket universe was way OTT and felt like cheap plot devices.

I don't know, it felt like exactly the kind of thing you'd expect a character like Lex to do in this kind of universe.

* The particle river thing in the pocket universe looked awful CGI wise and the alien baby CGI was horrendous.

I looked fine to me.

* The music wasn't memorable like Hans Zimmer MoS

I liked it.

* Why doesn't Lex clone more Ultraman's to kill Superman?

Because the first one failed, and it would probably be too complicated to try to run more than one at a time.

* Supergirl is a drunk?

James Gunn explained in an interview that she's dealing with a lot of trauma living on Argo City as it fell apart after Krypton's destruction. I'm sure her movie will go into it in a lot more detail.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

* Speaking of that squid thing --- The gag of the Gang fighting the giant squid thing in the background during a serious conversation with Lois/Clark was really stupid and inappropriate with the tone.

He did something similar at the beginning of GOTG2, where Groot danced to Electric Light Orchestra 'Mr. Blue Sky' in the foreground, while the Guardians fought a squid thing in the background.

 

[Mudd]

The dimensional imp scene was one of my favorites.

 

[The Realist]

It occurs to me that IMO, between Superman & Lois and Gunn’s Superman, we have nigh-perfect modern realizations of both the franchise’s more serious and more fanciful sides.

 

[Samurai8472]

* Lex use of POWERFUL tech like making a pocket universe was way OTT and felt like cheap plot devices.

Sometimes I felt like we were in the middle of a second movie in this version of Superman. It kind of feels like a sequel to a movie that doesn’t exists.

The foundation has been laid. Everything is established. The first movie was a couple of years ago sort of feeling.

I didn't like the Scooby Doo gang vibe of having to involve all of the main Daily Planet gang

Perry White- Lombard?

*Lombard pops up like a gopher comically*

Perry- Cat? Let's go into Mr Terrific's ship!

 

[theenglish]

Superman always cites his sources.

That's because his sources are usually just himself using a different name.

Except when they need to stay anonymous for their protection. He is a journalist, after all.

Just one with questionable ethics.

Sometimes I felt like we were in the middle of a second movie in this version of Superman. It kind of feels like a sequel to a movie that doesn’t exists.

The foundation has been laid. Everything is established. The first movie was a couple of years ago sort of feeling.

That was intentional on Gunn's part. He's spoken about this. We don't need yet another origin story for Superman. You're supposed to feel like that origin movie's already happened and we can get right in to the action.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Ursa is a fan of Superman, who knew?

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[Mudd]

I want to see more of those Scooby Planeteers.

I mean, they been useless appendages in these movies for decades. Now, they're characters.

 

[rocketscientist]

Brian Bendis already established that Krypton was an imperialist civilization viewed as an oppressor to unite against by other worlds, and that Jor-El in particular was an elitist asshole who looked down on Earthlings. He also survived the destruction of Krypton, btw., and I think that is still canon to the current comics.
Although it might not be, Mark Waid has written some other stories since then featuring a more benevolent Jor-El who even disapproved of the use of the Phantom Zone as a prison.
Then again, Jor-El was a major factor in Jon Kent's premature aging-up (timey-wimey stuff), and that clearly happened, so whatever.

I just finished the Rebirth arc where Mr. Oz is exposed as Jor-El.

I think the Bendis Man of Steel comes after that, right?

Yes, I am very much behind.

 

[the G-man]

Brian Bendis already established that Krypton was an imperialist civilization viewed as an oppressor to unite against by other worlds, and that Jor-El in particular was an elitist asshole who looked down on Earthlings. He also survived the destruction of Krypton, btw., and I think that is still canon to the current comics.
Although it might not be, Mark Waid has written some other stories since then featuring a more benevolent Jor-El who even disapproved of the use of the Phantom Zone as a prison.
Then again, Jor-El was a major factor in Jon Kent's premature aging-up (timey-wimey stuff), and that clearly happened, so whatever.

I am once again reminded I have not liked a single thing Brian Bendis wrote since "Powers."