Yeah and I'm saying that while that's obviously not the intention, it's easy to see it as a big plot hole because it wasn't explained very well.
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What, were they supposed to show him doing all that stuff again? Just how much do people need to have things spelled out for them? They also didn't show him stopping the Earthquake at the point where Lois was, but clearly, he did. I can see maybe small children having questions there, where the parents would presumably be able to explain it to them. That's not a plothole, that's like the minimum amount of filling-in-the-blanks a movie can expect of an audience. Who would have a problem with that? Such a person would have to be either stupid to the point of incompetence in the task of watching a children's movie, or someone who believes other people are that stupid.
I didn't have any issues with the 78 movie... It took a few rewatches later in the 80s to get it all down but it made sense
The climax of Donner's Superman doesn't actually make logical sense.
It doesn't. You can squint at it and torture it a bit, but it still won't.
Why should it? Time travel as a premise introduces contradictions into causality. To use it in a narrative in any intelligent way requires quite a bit of thought and planning.
The script for Superman was a patchwork of drafts, scenes and scenarios contributed by a remarkable number of writers over periods of years, finally beaten into shootable shape and saved by hundreds of creative artists - actors, crew, director, effects people, costumers, etc. - doing their best to create something vivid with some sense of verisimilitude to it all.
That the finished product is beloved after decades rather than falling apart in production and damaging Warners as a studio is a tale of inches and seconds.
It works in parts as a romantic comedy, at times as a Hollywood fantasy ala The Wizard of Oz, sometimes as slapstick. It never gels as an action/adventure.
But they couldn't make it all make sense.
It doesn't. You can squint at it and torture it a bit, but it still won't.
Why should it? Time travel as a premise introduces contradictions into causality. To use it in a narrative in any intelligent way requires quite a bit of thought and planning.
The script for Superman was a patchwork of drafts, scenes and scenarios contributed by a remarkable number of writers over periods of years, finally beaten into shootable shape and saved by hundreds of creative artists - actors, crew, director, effects people, costumers, etc. - doing their best to create something vivid with some sense of verisimilitude to it all.
That the finished product is beloved after decades rather than falling apart in production and damaging Warners as a studio is a tale of inches and seconds.
It works in parts as a romantic comedy, at times as a Hollywood fantasy ala The Wizard of Oz, sometimes as slapstick. It never gels as an action/adventure.
But they couldn't make it all make sense.
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I love it anyway.
He frees himself of his inhibitions, the commandments of his (biological) father, and comes out almost as a god. And after righting the wrong with his almost unlimited power, Luthor's cruel stroke that he was too weak to suffer, he finds solace to return to his humble self. He'll sacrifice almost anything for humanity, because he's very good, but in the end he has the emotional needs and desires of any mortal.
It's a beautiful take.
The 1978 version is kinda like two different movies, before and after arriving in Metropolis.
According to Donner in the commentary it's 3 movies
-Krypton. The highly advanced alien society with alot of aliens speaking in a British accent
-Kansas. The ideal American dream
-Metropolis. Bustling with busy people and crime
I believe the original plan for the ending of Superman 1 was to have Superman take one of those missiles into space and it accidently releasing the villains from the Phantam Zone. The movie would have ended with the villains making their way to earth. The powers that be didnt want the movie to end on a cliff hanger so they moved the planned time travel ending of 2 to 1.IMO that would have worked so much better and we would have been spared the stupid memory wipe kiss in 2.
There's so much tonally and visually in common between Krypton and Kansas—especially since by that division Kansas includes the Fortress of Solitude segment—that I don't feel as much separation between Krypton and Kansas as I do between Metropolis and the first two parts.
Which made two Supermen working to save the West Coast and Lois during that hour. But then the original Superman didn't have a reason to go back in time so Lois was caught in a temporal loop of dying and then being saved.
But then he would have just beat up that guy at the end for no reason.
She didn't even wait around to talk with him. I'm sure we'll get more of Kara's background next year.
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I’m definitely struggling to picture Dalton running around Drax’s space station firing laser guns, I gotta tell ya.
Only some people? This seems to be a common misperception, sadly perhaps more common than what was actually being depicted.
I wish I could hit "like" more than once for this response!
Can confirm. The gas station down the street is suddenly carrying a rack of DC comics, which look to be reprints of the New 52 era. They want more than $3 for them. I haven't bought comics in years, so the price took me by surprise.
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