The thing is, Moriarty didn't think of himself as a computer program but as a person and that's why I think he would have refused to be reduced to an android.
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The thing is, Moriarty didn't think of himself as a computer program but as a person and that's why I think he would have refused to be reduced to an android.
Data: "I am an adroid, not a robot."
A distinction without a difference. It's like saying I am a human not a hominid.
...More like saying that a hominid is not a human, which is a true statement for the most part.
Data is supposed to be quirky - it's one of his programmed parameters, or personality traits, and one he is both unwilling and potentially unable to overcome. After decades of coexistence with humans, he's probably deeply stuck in the role of the class clown, merely pretending to be inexperienced in the human ways.
Timo Saloniemi
Data is supposed to be quirky - it's one of his programmed parameters, or personality traits, and one he is both unwilling and potentially unable to overcome. After decades of coexistence with humans, he's probably deeply stuck in the role of the class clown, merely pretending to be inexperienced in the human ways.
Timo Saloniemi
You couldn't be more wrong! An android is a type of robot, not the other way around!!!
Think about it!
Why the Federation does not have cloaking technology. In The Pegasus, there is reference made to a treaty that strictly forbids the Federation from pursuing cloaking technology. In other episodes (some TOS) it was known that the Federation was winning the war. Why would they do such a stupid thing as allowing this in the treaty.
Cloaking technology (to my understanding) is simply making a ship invisible to another ship's sensors. Why wouldn't the Federation develop this technology even if it is used against non-Romulan adversaries?
It seems like the ultimate idiotic move by the Federation.
Cloaking technology (to my understanding) is simply making a ship invisible to another ship's sensors. Why wouldn't the Federation develop this technology even if it is used against non-Romulan adversaries?
It seems like the ultimate idiotic move by the Federation.
I agree that doesn't make sense. Plus sign a treaty with the Romulans who tried to destroy the Enterprise on a rescue mission!! (The Next Phase) How can you sign a treaty with people like that?
It's ridiculous that a military organization like the Federation would be winning a war and sign a treaty where they would give up such a huge concession like that and be okay with the enemy continuing to develop a major tactical advantage. It would be like at end of WW1, where the allies would agree not to develop airplane technology but allow the Germans to continue to develop it.
And since it's simply a way to jam another ship's sensors, what is the logic behind not being able to fire when cloaked?
And since it's simply a way to jam another ship's sensors, what is the logic behind not being able to fire when cloaked?
In the episode Brothers, after Data has taken control of the ship, the rest of the crew is in engineering deciding what to do. Riker says, "The only way we knew we'd come out of warp was by looking out a window."
The crew is in engineering. They can simply look at the warp reactor, there are all sorts of monitors and surely one of them would have the engine status on them, and Geordi is there (in another episode he could tell there was something wrong with the engine simply by the feel of the ship or how the floor plates felt.
The crew is in engineering. They can simply look at the warp reactor, there are all sorts of monitors and surely one of them would have the engine status on them, and Geordi is there (in another episode he could tell there was something wrong with the engine simply by the feel of the ship or how the floor plates felt.
I did. And it's exactly what I meant.
Data/Picard says "I'm an android/human very specifically, not some robot/hominid generally - so don't go making assumptions about me based on generic ideas about robots/hominids. I'm not a stupid toaster/ape".
So Data is correct and making a relevant statement, just like Picard would be if he said those things.
Timo Saloniemi
I think he was being a bit facetious, or at least that's how I remember it. It's been a while since I've seen it.
This is absolute gibberish. A human IS a hominid, just as an android IS a robot. As for generic ideas by their very definitions they apply to every member of a group, specific ideas apply to a restricted portion of the group. Whoever wrote that dialogue is either an ignoramus or he was drunk at the moment and that's the most charitable assumptions that I can make.
So you are trying to say, for example, the bio-engineered androids in Blade Runner are robots?
Speaking of trying... How about you try to get informed? The very first robots... The first EVER to get that name are bio-engineered!!
"Rossum's Universal Robots" by Karel Čapek (1920)
I could use less snark.
And that's only the first time the term "robot" was used. It can be argued that forms of rudimentary "robots" existed prior to that time.
So could I!! You're the one who started with the "so you are trying to say" bullshit, which is quite ironic since you keep missing the point. I find you tiresome. I am done arguing with you.
Let the pissing contest end now.
When the Bough Breaks- a planet steals 5 or 6 kids and that will usher in the new generation on the planet.
Up the Long Ladder- stealing cells from 2 people will prolong the entire culture because they can clone those 2.
Just plain stupid when you think about how a society could be perpetuated with such a small number of people.
Up the Long Ladder- stealing cells from 2 people will prolong the entire culture because they can clone those 2.
Just plain stupid when you think about how a society could be perpetuated with such a small number of people.
It would make some sense had they stole more kids but stealing Wesley is just stupid, you might as well steal adults.
In that episode I always wondered why they didn't ask for orphans from Federation planets. From other episodes, we find out there are planets that have broken down and have plenty of homeless kids (Bloodlines). Also, it was quite a coincidence that the Aldeans were humans.
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