Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

But then maybe a year later I saw that TOS Connie in Picard s3 and I was so damn happy that I logged in again just so I could talk to other people who understood and gave a damn about what it meant. It sucks if not everyone was happy to see it there, but it was 100% the correct choice as far as I'm concerned

It looks good.

I'm happy for those who felt the warm fuzzies.

 

[cooleddie74]

This just means that both looks of Connies are canon between 2257 and 2270. Matalas (praise be unto his name) sticking the ship in there was one of the good things he did, if only because it made the haters of modern streaming Trek that much madder and canonized that both the SNW and TOS looks coexist.

 

[Jayson1]

This just means that both looks of Connies are canon between 2257 and 2270. Matalas (praise be unto his name) sticking the ship in there was one of the good things he did, if only because it made the haters of modern streaming Trek that much madder and canonized that both the SNW and TOS looks coexist.

Well it wasn't the ONLY one good thing he did. Plus I can't wait until we eventually get the adventures of Captain Una Chin-Riley aboard the USS New Jersey in the spin-off show when SNW comes to a end.

 

[Tosk]

This just means that both looks of Connies are canon between 2257 and 2270. Matalas (praise be unto his name) sticking the ship in there was one of the good things he did, if only because it made the haters of modern streaming Trek that much madder and canonized that both the SNW and TOS looks coexist.

We already saw the literal TOS Enterprise on screen way back in Discovery season two.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

That was in a very dreamlike flashback sequence though, the characters couldn't see it out of the window.

 

[Tosk]

Are we supposed to squint and pretend that the Enterprise in that footage looks exactly like the one in the rest of the season? And if so are we supposed to pretend that it's Anson Mount playing Pike in that footage?

 

[Daedalus]

Interestingly, they didn't really have to show that footage. All the characters in that flashback were being played by new actors in the very same episode. They had a quarry with the singing plants too.

Wouldn't have taken more than a day of shooting to knock up a quick montage.

I will say, the transition between Hunter and Mount was superb.

 

[Tallguy]

Matalas (praise be unto his name) sticking the ship in there was one of the good things he did, if only because it made the haters of modern streaming Trek that much madder and canonized that both the SNW and TOS looks coexist.

Didn't Kurtzman (pra-- can't do it) already do that in season 2 of Discovery?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Are we supposed to squint and pretend that the Enterprise in that footage looks exactly like the one in the rest of the season? And if so are we supposed to pretend that it's Anson Mount playing Pike in that footage?

No

 

[cooleddie74]

I pretend it's Ray Liotta.

 

[Tallguy]

Interestingly, they didn't really have to show that footage.

Right. Because what they were really doing was making the point that this is all the same story and this is not an alternate universe.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I pretend it's Ray Liotta.

I pretend it’s Captain Marvel.

 

[cooleddie74]

You are not a good fella.

 

[Daedalus]

Right. Because what they were really doing was making the point that this is all the same story and this is not an alternate universe.

Quite, and probably a little cheaper too.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You are not a good fella.

Do I amuse you...?

 

[cooleddie74]

This thread has gone from rags to riches....

 

[JoseNoodles]

It's a really great episode. The only good use of Q on "Voyager" IMO. Season 2 of "Voyager" is a underrated really good season of Trek. I believe it was MIchael Pillar's last year in Trek as well as a show runner.

So is Season 3.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Slightly related, I know a guy who got bent out of shape when SNW revealed the Farragut was not Constitution class, since the Enterprise model kit released in the 1970s included a list of all twelve Connies, which included the Farragut.

Likewise he got pretty upset over the Cayuga being revealed to be a Connie, as that was not on the fabled list from the 1970s.

It's not that anyone was upset to see an original interpretation of Constitution class on screen again. It's that a certain element of the fandom took it as the gospel truth and proof positive that other shows were not part of the same continuity.

They became absolutely obnoxious about it. It's pretty much ground zero for the birth of The Cult of Terry.

They immediately started beating people over the head with the USS New Jersey, to the point it ruined any joy I had with seeing an Original Constitution, a ship I adore. I'll never forgive The Cult for taking that from me.

All I gotta say is thank God they didn't get this scene from ST09 into the final cut of the film. I honestly believe that some heads would have exploded in theaters over this. Literally...

I mean, a Prime Universe Connie in the alternate timeline, a non-canonical name (Biddeford? Dafuq is a Biddeford?) and another NCC-0xxx number, when they have ALWAYS been in the thousands.

That was the trifecta of canon violations right there!

Oh, and I was kidding before - it's a damn shame it landed on the cutting room floor, actually. The nerd-rage would have been fun to watch unfold...

 

[Dukhat]

This just means that both looks of Connies are canon between 2257 and 2270. Matalas (praise be unto his name) sticking the ship in there was one of the good things he did, if only because it made the haters of modern streaming Trek that much madder and canonized that both the SNW and TOS looks coexist.

Using a DSC/SNW Connie for the New Jersey would have been a huge mistake. The whole point of the Museum was to give the audience a feeling of nostalgia for past Trek (how successful that was is up to interpretation), and the SNW Connie has NO nostalgic value whatsoever. It's just an extrapolation of what the Connie would have looked like had they used the NX-01 as the starting point rather than anything that Matt Jefferies would have designed.

Sure, canonically both designs exist, but I'm not sure that the current producers of CBSTrek really know how to reconcile the idea that they exist simultaneously, not that one design was a refit of the other, etc. All they had to work with was what DSC and John Eaves left them with. Should they have made the Enterprise in SNW look more like the TOS version right from the start, and just ignore what was seen in DSC, just like they did with the Klingons? Possibly. Ignoring DSC seems to be the sentiment these days, except for that shitty Section 31 movie. I'm not even sure if they even have a plan to transition even more to the look of TOS, or if that's even a good idea at this point, or if it even matters. I personally don't feel that they have to do that, because it would just be like what they did with Calypso: shoehorning something into an existing continuity that doesn't need to be, and making even less sense once they did.

 

[Firebird]

All I gotta say is thank God they didn't get this scene from ST09 into the final cut of the film. I honestly believe that some heads would have exploded in theaters over this. Literally...

I mean, a Prime Universe Connie in the alternate timeline, a non-canonical name (Biddeford? Dafuq is a Biddeford?) and another NCC-0xxx number, when they have ALWAYS been in the thousands.

That was the trifecta of canon violations right there!

Oh, and I was kidding before - it's a damn shame it landed on the cutting room floor, actually. The nerd-rage would have been fun to watch unfold...

I think that was a cut shot from Into Darkness, wasn't it?