Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread
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Here's a clip of the scene:
In the same way they explained how Terry Ferrell *Jadzia Dax* looked sooo different from the one that appeared on TNG (not to mention in the TNG episode Transporters were DEADLY to a Trill <-- a major plot point too in that TNG episode)...
TNG is canon too.
In the same way they explained how Terry Ferrell *Jadzia Dax* looked sooo different from the one that appeared on TNG (not to mention in the TNG episode Transporters were DEADLY to a Trill <-- a major plot point too in that TNG episode)...
TNG is canon too.
Replacing actors obviously needs no explanation, especially from an animated character who most fans probably haven't even seen except in still pictures but... Jadzia Dax never appeared on TNG. That's really not a comparable example.
Are TNG and DS9 not part of the same continuity? Are they not both Prime timeline? How is it that a Trill in TNG can look the way it does and also not be able to use a transporter, but on DS9 a Trill looks entirely different and has absolutely no problem using the transporter?
Alternate timeline!!
It's time for Sophie's Choice. Which one do you want removed from the Prime Timeline?
Hell, the whole joining process is very different on TNG compared to what DS9 and the rest of the franchise go with. On TNG, the symbiont takes full control of the host, while on DS9 and everywhere else, the joining is depicted as a shared co-existence between host and symbiont. Or to make a Stargate allegory, TNG's Trill are Goa'uld, DS9's Trill are Tok'ra.
Wow. There's that double standard where classic Trek is immune from criticism, but modern Trek must answer for its sins. DS9 presented an all new look for the Trill which was not consistent with what we saw on TNG and offered no explanation whatsoever. Hell, more time has gone by than the twenty-five years and two months which elapsed when Enterprise explained the TMP Klingons, which That Crowd claim makes it okay. So why is fandom so lenient about DS9's changes to the Trill, but Disco changes the Klingons and it's all "not Canon! Not True Trek! Gene's Vision! Hail Terry!"
I could have seen a Lower Decks jokes about that working quite well like someone questioning the Trill and describing Odan thinking they were like that and someone just being all like nah theyve always had spots and discouraged reassociation and who doesnt love beaming?In the same way they explained how Terry Ferrell *Jadzia Dax* looked sooo different from the one that appeared on TNG (not to mention in the TNG episode Transporters were DEADLY to a Trill <-- a major plot point too in that TNG episode)...
TNG is canon too.
Like the Locarno looking like Tom Paris thing.
A meta Trek lore inconsistency gaslighting palooza?
Wow, ridiculous overreaction much?
I've never had any issue with DSC's Klingon designs, I have many times said that every show is canon whether some want to admit it or not, and I was literally agreeing that it's dumb to complain about a barely known character looking different.
All I said was Jadzia Dax was never changed and retconning a species is not really the same thing as recasting an individual character. And it isn't.
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I think you've failed to notice my hyperbole was intentionally meant to be ironic. I suppose I should have added a winking emoji.
I was aping the attitude some members of the fandom have towards newer Trek productions. How many time have we heard that Discovery must be an alternate timeline because the Klingons are different. It's just as bad with Strange New Worlds and the Gorn, which is especially funny because it's basically the same thing that happened with the Trill. They took a species with only one live action appearance and modified them for more extensive use in a later series. Yet you never hear outcry from those fans that this is proof that DS9 must be in an alternate timeline.
It's hypocrisy.
Literally everything about the Trill in TNG was massively different in DS9. It’s called a retcon. No, it makes no sense in a real-life perspective, just like it makes no sense for a character previously depicted as white to be black in a later production, if it’s all supposed to take place in the same universe. But this isn’t real life, and we’re supposed to accept the changes precisely because it’s all fiction. In a fictional universe spanning 60+ years, this kind of thing is inevitable. I just wish CBS/Paramount weren’t so scared of calling their productions the dreaded ‘reboot’ (which is a different discussion and one I don’t need to have here.)
Well I have been saying for awhile they should move out the prime universe and escape some of the roadblocks that come from canon or continuity. Yet I fear their is a fear among those running Trek it will be seen as not legitimate by the fans if it's not all connected. Which is crazy IMO. As long as it feels like Trek people won't care. Plus we already have one show that has proven this idea works in STAR TREK:ORVILLE!
I'd say their fear is justified by the way much of the fandom treats the Kelvin timeline. The fandom inherently treats anything not prime as being lesser.
Star Trek will never become detached from the Prime Universe. Even they attempted a reboot with the Kelvin movies, they established it as an alternate timeline which branched off of the Prime Universe in order to allow Leonard Nimoy to make cameos.
I'm glad they went with the second makeup design. The TNG Trill makeup was just too "Forehead Alien of the Week" for my tastes and less extraterrestrial in feel. The spots up and down the sides of her face and neck make the Trill distinct and more exotic.
DSC did shy away from redesigning most returning species. Vulcans, Bajorans, Trill. Cordanites, and the Akaali all looked identical to how they did in previous shows.
The Klingon's being redesigned originally came from Bryan Fuller. Now how much the design changed again after he left, not sure.
SNW redesigned the Tellarites again like with the Klingons, but the Andorians are mostly identical to how they were in DSC.
I think SNW's Tellarite design is my favourite of all the series.
Edit: I misremembered, they did change the Andorian design again in SNW. Oddly, the Aenar design in season 1 looks closer to DSC than this S2 Andorian design.
The Klingon's being redesigned originally came from Bryan Fuller. Now how much the design changed again after he left, not sure.
SNW redesigned the Tellarites again like with the Klingons, but the Andorians are mostly identical to how they were in DSC.
I think SNW's Tellarite design is my favourite of all the series.
Edit: I misremembered, they did change the Andorian design again in SNW. Oddly, the Aenar design in season 1 looks closer to DSC than this S2 Andorian design.
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This is my biggest thing and it often feels very frustrating. Things blindly accepted in the older shows are now the benchmark for the newer shows to fail to cross. Sometimes, it feels like Newer Trek is deliberately set up to fail.
