Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Jayson1]

And?

Really enjoying the selective targeting of characters for death.

Ichab dies. Tears and protests.

Kirk dies? Meh, there's always Pike.

I just think his death would be effective in terms of drama. For one it would be a surprise because right now the show is still being sold as being in the Prime Universe. This would be this shows version of Vulcan being destroyed in the Kelvin movies IMO. I actually am fine with SNW KIrk as a character so it's not like I will be upset if they don't kill him. I just see more story possibilities in his death.

Ichab's death bothered me more for the reasons it was done. They gave him a unnecessary brutal death to just give the original actor the middle finger for being a Republican or asshole or something. Not a fan of punishing characters as payback against the actor. Except I do admit Chef's death in "South Park" was pretty funny. Which I think is why I am fine with it. At least they were going for humor and not shock horror which seems more wrong IMO.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They gave him a unnecessary brutal death to just give the original actor the middle finger for being a Republican or asshole or something. N

Did they? Or is that just the story that gets better traction?

 

[Jayson1]

Well it can't be proven but I can't think of any other reason to give a character such a brutal death.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well it can't be proven but I can't think of any other reason to give a character such a brutal death.

I sure can. To give a known character a brutal death for drama and show the stakes are upped. Hardly the first time in fiction and far from the last. No need for sinister motivations.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well it can't be proven but I can't think of any other reason to give a character such a brutal death.

The reason was to give Seven of Nine motivation.

They gave him a unnecessary brutal death to just give the original actor the middle finger for being a Republican or asshole or something.

The rumour is it had to do with him being a dick towards Anthony Rapp during the Kevin Spacey accusation. I've heard they made up though.

 

[Jayson1]

The reason was to give Seven of Nine motivation.



The rumour is it had to do with him being a dick towards Anthony Rapp during the Kevin Spacey accusation. I've heard they made up though.

I didn't hear about that bottom stuff. All I heard was him more or less just ranting about liberals and whatnot on the internet. Perhaps that was the case. Him making a statement on that situation when it was big in the news.

 

[Tosk]

Alas, amongst a fandom where "hate the current product, worship the older stuff as perfection" appears to be policy, that's never going to happen.

What better way to decry criticism than to tar all with one (straw) brush?

 

[Mudd]

For Trek to have an active future as a media franchise with any creative energy at all, it will have to come to treat continuity the way superhero comics do.

Or, whatever relevance it has can die with us Boomers and Gen Xers. Your call.

 

[Mudd]

Well it can't be proven but I can't think of any other reason to give a character such a brutal death.

Trying to write fiction for adults. That would be a reason.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

For Trek to have an active future as a media franchise with any creative energy at all, it will have to come to treat continuity the way superhero comics do.

Or, whatever relevance it has can die with us Boomers and Gen Xers. Your call.

As a gen Y, I feel that disproves your point somewhat.

It absolutely can maintain a solid continuity, what it has to do is offer a diverse range of offerings. The right gateway show can get someone invested in the previous material.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

For Trek to have an active future as a media franchise with any creative energy at all, it will have to come to treat continuity the way superhero comics do.

Or, whatever relevance it has can die with us Boomers and Gen Xers. Your call.

The best example I can think of a strong and enduring TV franchise is probably Star Trek. It's been going since the '60s, just like the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and the X-Men! I think if Star Trek is going to continue to exist as a TV show it should probably look back at Star Trek and treat its continuity the way Star Trek does.

 

[Daedalus]

Doctor Who has done incredibly well in that respect, too. Continuity issues here and there, but they have a time war to explain some of that. Useful things those temporal conflicts.

Just do stuff in distant quadrants and distant times if a break is needed from established continuity. A series set in the 35th century needn't reference any of its past if it doesn't want to.

 

[HotRod]

I think Akiva Goldsman has the absolute right approach when it comes to the issue. Yes, the canon matters, but only to a certain point. If they see a good reason to bend it a little bit for the sake of story, they will.

"[W]e will body-check canon when we need to, and we have. We've moved some folks around in terms of timelines, we put some folks together who aren't necessarily canonically together at the same time, we pull some things forward because ultimately story wins. But trying to stay within canon is an awfully fun exercise, and leads to solutions that you might not come up with if you didn't have those boundaries."

"We don't really worry about it. [...] But we're thoughtful in the same way that we're thoughtful of Pike's journey and where he has to go and how that works. I don't mean his death, because God knows we've talked about that until we're blue in the face, just where he is canonically in terms of location, who is or isn't on the Enterprise."

"[Y]ou can see ... stuff where we're a little bit already in violation. We've already pulled some folks onto the ship that probably weren't really there — at least we certainly have never heard of Uhura being on Pike's Enterprise. And yet here she is. We are thoughtful, but not slavish."

 

[Tuskin38]

There's some video game series that completely redesign things between releases but they're meant to still be the same universe.

Like look at Elder Scrolls, or Fallout. Some of the enemy and species designs are completely changed between entries.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

There's some video game series that completely redesign things between releases but they're meant to still be the same universe.

Like look at Elder Scrolls, or Fallout. Some of the enemy and species designs are completely changed between entries.

But when they get it right, they get it right.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm glad Halo doesn't do that. It'd be incredibly jarring for the Spartan and Covenant looks along with much of the equipment to radically change from game to game. Sure, same continuity but the visuals would be so spastic and inconsistent it would take some players out of the games.

 

[Firebird]

Well it can't be proven but I can't think of any other reason to give a character such a brutal death.

“Fridging”:

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[Mudd]

I think Akiva Goldsman has the absolute right approach when it comes to the issue. Yes, the canon matters, but only to a certain point. If they see a good reason to bend it a little bit for the sake of story, they will.

"Weren't really there?"

I think they mean, "weren't previously there."

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm glad they went with the second makeup design. The TNG Trill makeup was just too "Forehead Alien of the Week" for my tastes and less extraterrestrial in feel. The spots up and down the sides of her face and neck make the Trill distinct and more exotic.

The real reason was Terry Farrell had a reaction to the make up so the opted for spots. Terry Farrell being allergic to the make up was also the reason why Jadzia doesn't join the mission to reveal the changeling in 'apocalypse rising', despite the characters extensive knowledge of Klingon culture.

 

[Mudd]

As a gen Y, I feel that disproves your point somewhat.

It absolutely can maintain a solid continuity, what it has to do is offer a diverse range of offerings. The right gateway show can get someone invested in the previous material.

Nope.

Comics take a sensible approach to this. There are core elements to their various characters and storyline, which they adjust and improvise around as time passes.

Making a fossil out of an IP is counterproductive and uncreative. Star Trek is neither history nor scripture, and not close to either.