I suppose they could get Chris to play the role. 
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Legally.
But
Morally/ethically, I disagree.
Were it my son and his wife had been insulted in front of millions of viewers worldwide and he walked up and slapped the man who insulted his wife… yeah, I’d be ok with that.
And really, a blanket statement: “Any kind of violence is not good”?
Really — any kind is bad? Any? Defending your country from Russia? Aiding Ukraine in killing invaders? These are bad?
Likely you do not think so. We just draw the line in a different place.
Again, not arguing US legalities.
What about defending my wife if she is being attacked? Any kind of violence to defend her is not good?
I mean if you are a true- blue Halkan-style, Quaker pacifist, I guess I can respect that.
And I mean you no nsult, but, man we sure got wimpy as a culture. And I am not a violent guy. Never spanked my kids. Came down hard (verbally) on a son when he physically pushed a four-year-younger sibling off a chair.
But, yeah I’m ok with Will not just … filing a complaint? Did someone say upthread? Good lord.
There's just a world of difference between physical violence over words and physical violence in response to slaughter of civilians and bombings.
All that was necessary was Will shouting "That was completely uncalled for", filing a complaint with the Academy, calling Rock out online, etc. Rock would have been cancelled before we even knew what happened, and no one would use those kinds of "jokes" again. As it is, Rock now looks like the magnanimous victim who gracefully declined to press charges.
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One self-entitled asshole slapped another self-entitled asshole for acting like a self-entitled asshole at the annual Self-Entitled Assholes' Circle Jerk.
What does that have to do with Strange New Worlds?
What does that have to do with Strange New Worlds?
I think we can draw a distinction between good and necessary. Sometimes violence is necessary, usually in response to other violence, without having to be good thing.
Dafuq? I didn't say that - plynch did.
sorry there must have been an error in the quoting systemDafuq? I didn't say that - plynch did.
EDIT: Updated and fixed it, sorry @137th Gebirg
No, you made a mistake. It happens.
Dude above said “ANY type of violence is not good.” It sure sounded from context as if they meant “not ok or justified.”
I might have misinterpreted.
Ok, so sometimes violence is necessary or justified. Everyone’s gonna draw that line at a different point. Hence various just war theories. Gandhi would say “not justified” to defend Ukraine. I personally would say not justified in attacking British soldiers and agents in 1775 and following, in the American colonies. But this was killing.
Will was a slap that did no physical harm apparently. The sort of thing men used to do and then move on from. In Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Jeff Smith goes around decking Senators. Must have been somewhat plausible or audiences would have rebelled. And in two recent episodes of sixties tv, someone socks someone else.
I don’t want a world where people go around hitting each other. But I’m ok with Will. His wife was insulted in front of millions. So that crosses my line for “justified.” Someone mentioned the N word above. Had I a child of African descent and someone called him or her that, I’d be ok with him or her getting into some fisticuffs.
Back to this thread: Souring on a tv show b/c the actor has a differing opinion about a slap seems extreme.
I might have misinterpreted.
Ok, so sometimes violence is necessary or justified. Everyone’s gonna draw that line at a different point. Hence various just war theories. Gandhi would say “not justified” to defend Ukraine. I personally would say not justified in attacking British soldiers and agents in 1775 and following, in the American colonies. But this was killing.
Will was a slap that did no physical harm apparently. The sort of thing men used to do and then move on from. In Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Jeff Smith goes around decking Senators. Must have been somewhat plausible or audiences would have rebelled. And in two recent episodes of sixties tv, someone socks someone else.
I don’t want a world where people go around hitting each other. But I’m ok with Will. His wife was insulted in front of millions. So that crosses my line for “justified.” Someone mentioned the N word above. Had I a child of African descent and someone called him or her that, I’d be ok with him or her getting into some fisticuffs.
Back to this thread: Souring on a tv show b/c the actor has a differing opinion about a slap seems extreme.
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Intellectually I agree and I'm not telling anyone to not watch the show. But emotionally, I guess it's going to pull me out of the show seeing Pike and Starfleet only use violence as a last resort (heck he's even outright highlighted as being that way in Q&A), while the actor's ok with it over someone's nasty words. I know we can't expect actors to be their characters, but that kind of dissonance is going to affect how I feel about the show whether I say it or not.
All I know is I don't give a shit what went on between Will Smith and Chris Rock nor does it matter at all in regards to my feelings on SNW, Anson Mount or life in general.
I don't think I've ever cared about either of their personal lives. I intend to keep that going.
There's a time and a place for adults to settle their differences. An awards show on live TV is not it.
Jerry Springer, sure. But not a live awards show.
Jerry Springer, sure. But not a live awards show.
Of course you do.
What's that supposed to mean?
And so do a lot of other people.... Why is that not a valid train of thought? What about me personally make you say that? What about it deserves an eye roll? Sounds like you have a problem with me and I have no idea who you even are.
Is this where I'm supposed to be allowed to slap you?
It is a bit of a complex issue. I think they both crossed the line, and Rock crossed it first. That said, all things considered, Smith's reaction was restrained. He delivered an open-handed slap, and due to his boxing training for Ali, he was completely capable of laying him out on the spot.
It's easy to stand on the outside and make judgments in the absolute. We are not Star Trek's evolved humanity. We're just plain simple humans. Who make mistakes and have faulty judgment in times of anger or other emotional stress. Rock's "joke" was a prime example of comedians punching down to get a giggle. He made fun of a woman's medical condition in front of her husband, her peers, and let's not forget, the whole fucking world. Who all laughed at the joke. Let that sink in for a minute.
Do I condone Smith's behavior? No, I can't bring myself to go that far. Do I understand it? Do I feel it to the very core of my being? Hell yes, I do.
And remember, if Smith wanted to lay Rock out, he could have. Easily.
It's easy to stand on the outside and make judgments in the absolute. We are not Star Trek's evolved humanity. We're just plain simple humans. Who make mistakes and have faulty judgment in times of anger or other emotional stress. Rock's "joke" was a prime example of comedians punching down to get a giggle. He made fun of a woman's medical condition in front of her husband, her peers, and let's not forget, the whole fucking world. Who all laughed at the joke. Let that sink in for a minute.
Do I condone Smith's behavior? No, I can't bring myself to go that far. Do I understand it? Do I feel it to the very core of my being? Hell yes, I do.
And remember, if Smith wanted to lay Rock out, he could have. Easily.
I think the anger is that a lot of us (me included) have had far worse thrown at me and our family (my mother and brother literally laughed at my wife, who has severe health issues, in front of her, part of the many reasons they're no longer allowed anywhere near me) and we go through a LOT of effort not to do anything physical. Not to be like that. We go through the proper procedures, file complaints (I let it be clear that any further action from my mother/brother would result in filed restraining orders etc) but I never go the physical route (which my brother eagerly did and I put that into planned complaints as well).
We go through this so often, hold down our rage at a cruel world, repeat "I did the right thing" and have no one care or outright mock you further, all for following the path of nonviolence. So when we see someone with money and power get away with doing what you spend years and years and years actively suppressing yourself from doing, of course you're going to get irritated. And then when you see the star of a show you're eagerly anticipating defend that action... yeah.
Well, Rock has issued the first apology, which is appropriate as he crossed the line first. I suspect a similar apology will be forthcoming from Will Smith and we can all get back to discussing Strange New Worlds.
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