They do look good. The texturing is nice.
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When did he say that.
Pike's promotion to fleet captain and Kirk taking command don't have to take place at the same time.
The franchise can't seem to decide which way to go with TOS era badges, keep changing their minds between all Delta and separate ship badges.
I guarantee they read the original writers guide early on in the development process.
You are.
Discovery Season 2, and SNW take place several years after The Cage, so it makes sense that they would have been crew changes in that time.
Pretty much every book I know that deals with Kirk before the Enterprise has had him with at least one command before he takes over the Enterprise. So the idea has been out there for quite, and isn't any kind of retcon or anything like that.
I'm not that bothered by Kirk showing up, I had been expecting to see him at some point pretty much since the show was first announced. I am surprised they're already bringing him in in Season 2 though, I expected them to wait until the last season.
I watched The Vampire Diaries for a while when was on, and Paul Wesley is not someone that would have come to mind for me when you said we were getting a new actor as Kirk. I would have at least expected them to go with someone younger, since Wesley is pretty much the same age Shatner was when he did TOS.
Wesley's age, the fact he appears to be in a time travel story, and the different looking bridge kinda makes me wonder if he's actually TOS era Kirk and not the one from Pike and Co. time.
Point taken. I still think the SNW trou look too skinny in relation to the boots. But I agree, this is far more fidelity to the original TOS aesthetic than I thought we’d see (and that many people argued we’d ever see again).
Boyce was real old. He retired or kicked the bucket.
People move on with their careers, and leave jobs for other jobs. Bub-bye, Tyler!
Yes, because fidelity to TOS meant...pants, of all things.
We actually know very little, and a huge amount of what we take as fact is the decades of conjecture we fans have created to try and piece together back story fragments of the characters and even the conjecture of things like The Chronology.
What we do know.
Kirk meet Pike when Pike was Promoted to Fleet Captain. We know nothing about the position or job duties of this title. As in the same statement Kirk references Pike as Fleet Captain and Captain, and this is before he discovers Pike was injured.
We know Kirk took over command from Pike. We don't know if this is when they meet, it might be connected but there isn't anything in dialogue stating that.
We don't know if Pike still has the rank of Fleet Captain or if it was s temporary rank, or if for whatever reason he was demoted. We don't know if he was still serving as a Captain on the Enterprise after this promotion. We know nothing about it.
We know Kirk's Dad lived long enough to see Jim proudly become Captain of the Enterprise. Doesn't say anything about it being his first command. There is no dialogue on the show or films stating the Enterprise is Kirk's first command, or if he ever served on her before becoming Captain.
We use 5 year mission to set a time frame, but that is also conjecture, because there is no dialogue stating that when Kirk took command of the Enterprise it was a start of a five year mission. So even the time frame created by Mike is just conjecture and educated guessing to get a frame work. We do know that Spock served with Pike for 11 years, 4 months and 5 days. But nothing states it was only on the Enterprise or if there were any breaks in the time of service.
What we do know.
Kirk meet Pike when Pike was Promoted to Fleet Captain. We know nothing about the position or job duties of this title. As in the same statement Kirk references Pike as Fleet Captain and Captain, and this is before he discovers Pike was injured.
We know Kirk took over command from Pike. We don't know if this is when they meet, it might be connected but there isn't anything in dialogue stating that.
We don't know if Pike still has the rank of Fleet Captain or if it was s temporary rank, or if for whatever reason he was demoted. We don't know if he was still serving as a Captain on the Enterprise after this promotion. We know nothing about it.
We know Kirk's Dad lived long enough to see Jim proudly become Captain of the Enterprise. Doesn't say anything about it being his first command. There is no dialogue on the show or films stating the Enterprise is Kirk's first command, or if he ever served on her before becoming Captain.
We use 5 year mission to set a time frame, but that is also conjecture, because there is no dialogue stating that when Kirk took command of the Enterprise it was a start of a five year mission. So even the time frame created by Mike is just conjecture and educated guessing to get a frame work. We do know that Spock served with Pike for 11 years, 4 months and 5 days. But nothing states it was only on the Enterprise or if there were any breaks in the time of service.
Later in his career, Kirk would command the Enterprise more than once while holding the rank of Admiral. "Fleet Captain" is not a rank with any meaning other than an historical one - as chief of staff to a flag officer in the Royal Navy at one point - and may mean anything in Starfleet.
Trek has always played fast and loose with naval rank and procedures, eventually settling on "It's not really a military organization" as a fig leaf to excuse themselves.
Trek has always played fast and loose with naval rank and procedures, eventually settling on "It's not really a military organization" as a fig leaf to excuse themselves.
Decker did keep commanding the Constellation after he'd been promoted to Commodore.
My head canon (horrible term) is that Kirk wanted Mitchell, but Pike had more clout, so Mitchell worked with Spock for years before Kirk replaced Pike. SNW may well contradict this.
All the character of Kirk ever said about Pike in The Menagerie:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/16.htm
Some fans have figured that meant they met once, on the day that Kirk took command of the Enterprise from Pike; but you could also interpret it as separate occasions.
IE - Kirk met Pike when Pike was first promoted to Fleet Captain, and sometime later Kirk took over Command of the Enterprise when Pike relinquished it.
It's very possible Pike could have been promoted to Fleet Captain, but still remained in command of the Enterprise for years after that.
I'd love to see Gary on SNW.
Great, so this is going to be the *real* reason why Khan hates Kirk now right? 
