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That's Kol, yo. Kol.
They were actually thinking about doing that - depicting Worf as a TOS Klingon (in all scenes set in the 23rd century), and nobody would even notice.
It probably could've worked, especially after the scene of Dax lasering off her freckles, and we can just assume he was medically shaved down to a 23rd century Klingon offscreen and no one comments or notices (except for all the fans in the newsgroups).
But, anyway, from an in-universe perspective, isn't Worf obviously a (22nd century?) Klingon in that scene? I mean, I guess it's on the border and a civilian-led station, but there's this apparent old-style Klingon trader on K-7 fraternizing with two Starfleet officers and some rando alien and no one seems to make note of it. The Klingons aren't like "join us, brother!", but instead seem to rush at him all the same, and he fights at least three of them during the bar scene, and no one else. The waitress doesn't say "Hey, your friend's a Klingon", when asked about them, although maybe she doesn't know what they used to look like. But the Klingons certainly should know. Maybe they realize he isn't from their ship, and assume he's some discommendated petaQ... which he is, but they shouldn't know that.
It just seems weird, in an episode with one undercover Klingon on the station (twice over), that this apparent terrible disguise seems to work on everyone.
But he's got a new hat!
Actually the plan was to simply have him automatically appear as a TOS Klingon without actually doing anything.
IIRC, Worf is in disguise. Nobody seems to know he's a Klingon.
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He has that soft cap on so with his head ridges covered he probably just looked like an alien with thick eyebrows, nose ridges and facial hair. And we already know how many species in Trek look like that.
The bigger question is why should the Klingons give Worf the time of day? One, he is not a soldier, or a warrior, so he is not at their same level. Two, he is not participating with the Klingons at all, or endeavoring to fight the people he is with. Three, cross culture merchants are not a new idea, as Spock poses as a merchant, Jones and Mudd are known to frequent Klingon spheres of influence. The Klingons are not shown to be completely sober so why should any of them care about this random nobody from no great house, who operates on a Federation station, and is probably without honor?
We sure do! As a little kid I was so confused by the Efrosian President played by Kurtwood Smith. I just thought “oh, okay, I guess The Federation President is a Klingon for some reason?”
When they were watching Kirk and Spock on trial, the President should have just scowled and said
"Dumbasses."
"Dumbasses."
The number of Trek roles he’s had combined with the disdain Red had for all things sci-fi/anything Eric loved is just wonderful meta irony.
“Eric, your stupid space trek is for kids! Also, I’m in a *lot* of it over the years, so keep your eyes peeled!”
I wonder if Kurtwood Smith ever gets people coming up to him on the street and asking him to call them a dumbass. He probably gets that every day.
Kind of like the woman playing the car rental clerk in Planes, Trains and Automobiles...even after all these years, people still ask her to tell them they're fucked.
Kind of like the woman playing the car rental clerk in Planes, Trains and Automobiles...even after all these years, people still ask her to tell them they're fucked.
Here's the bar fight (begins 2:10):
At 2:15, Worf stands up with Bashir and O'Brien (and all the 1960s folks) to get ready for the fight. Trials added three Klingon characters (BJ Davis, Chris Doyle AKA Ro'suv in the card game, and Spiro Razatos), who appear to be on Worf's left, as he scowls at them when he stands up.
Immediately, at 2:18, the three Klingons rush the DS9 table, with Razatos aiming for both Odo and Worf. Odo sneaks into the back with a waitress and a couple cowardly Starfleet officers while Worf blocks a punch from Razatos and begins fighting him.
BJ rushed O'Brien, and we don't see where Ro'suv went at first, maybe Bashir, maybe some of the archive characters, but BJ is doing a pretty good job grappling with O'Brien. Two ND officers are fighting with Two Klingons (presumably Ro'suv and Razatos, but they are rightfully obscured to probably represent other Klingons for fight continuity). Next we see O'Brien knock down BJ, and Worf is in a corner with Razatos still trading blows (fight never ended). At 2:42, we finally see Bashir fighting Ro'suv, using his own genetically augmented strength to easily knock him to the floor and then pretend he was hurt. This is immediately followed by the archived clip of Chekov not being able to harm his own Klingon (Dick Crockett), which is an amazing hint from the producers that there was something up with Bashir's enhanced strength level.
Anyway, at 3:04, Worf finally knocks down Razatos and picks him up for no reason to throw him down again, and at 3:30 is seen grappling with Ro'suv (who Bashir had already knocked out... Worf clearly picking up Klingons to fight), but that fight is ended when Odo tells him of Darvin (Barry Waddle) in the open doorway. O'Brien is picking on Razatos again, for some reason, before knocking him down and being stopped by the biggest security guard in Starfleet history.
Since Worf only fought Razatos and Ro'suv, the other Klingons may never have realized he wasn't on their side or who this guy was. Ro'suv may have just jumped in later to help his friend Razatos.
Damn, that episode still looks amazing 25 years later.
Well, hopefully they'll get them in the second half.
Also, more my point is why would these Klingons notice that Worf is a Klingon? He isn't remarkable until he is fighting them. And again, why should they notice he is a Klingon while he is fighting them?
His soft cap doesn't even come off so nobody can see his ridges. The Klingons from the I.K.S. Gr'oth probably think he's just some other humanoid with a lot of physical strength.
@Jayson1, that's Kras.
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I love it when people call Kras "Bob the Discount Klingon".
Kras needs to become the main, recurring Klingon adversary to Pike. A bloodthirsty, sadistic psychopath hellbent on destroying the Enterprise and restarting the Klingon War.
Using POWDERS...and LIQUIDS for the sick.
