Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Dukhat]

Weren’t a lot of those just TOSified version of ships from the JJ Abrams films?

Yes. Specifically they were the exact same ships from the Abrams films but with TOS style nacelles rather than the cigar-looking ones they had in the movies.

Star Trek ship

No. For the fans like me who care about such things, a Star Trek ship is more than just simplified black lines. You’re welcome not to care about it, but kindly respect that there are others who do.

 

[fireproof78]

Weren’t a lot of those just TOSified version of ships from the JJ Abrams films?

Yup.

Star Trek ship

The devil is in the details.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I only care that the design is well done and pleasing to my eye. Not a fan of the stubby nacelles on the D or the oversized ones ones the KU Enterprise. But they do follow the basic ship design of Star Trek. For something like a modern 1701 it has to hit certain beats, but doesn't have to be a note for note cover.

 

[Dukhat]

I only care that the design is well done and pleasing to my eye.

Is that stick figure you posted well done and pleasing to your eye?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Is that stick figure you posted well done and pleasing to your eye?

You've missed the point.

 

[Dukhat]

No I didn’t. I was being sarcastic.

 

[fireproof78]

I only care that the design is well done and pleasing to my eye. Not a fan of the stubby nacelles on the D or the oversized ones ones the KU Enterprise. But they do follow the basic ship design of Star Trek. For something like a modern 1701 it has to hit certain beats, but doesn't have to be a note for note cover.

I think expecting note for note cover leads to a lot more grief than anyone could ever anticipate. Personally, I like the KU Enterprise for the most part, but the TOS Enterprise, both the original and the Discovery interpretation are perfectly pleasing to my eye and fit the story being told. So, to that end, I think you have a point.

But, the flip side is that this is a fandom obsessed with details to ensure consistency in a way that I wish I could be the same way about but am largely unable to do so.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Well judging by the newest P+ commercials, they've fixed Spock's hair from his horrid Short Treks curved bangs.

 

[Dukhat]

I’ve mentioned this before, but I find the KU Enterprise to be an aesthetically unpleasing design. The nacelles are far too big in relation to the pylons and hulls, and the overall shape looks like three different people designed the saucer, engineering hull, and nacelles, and didn’t communicate with each other before the parts were all put together. I know this is not the case (Church designed the entire ship), but that’s what it looks like to me. The Enterprise-A solved a lot of this problem but even that ship has its flaws.

 

[Yistaan]

They'll go out and show that 3 and 4 nacelles were common in the late 2250s and early 2260s until some catastrophic failure of the tech causes Starfleet to ban them (at least until the anti-time future of All Good Things in TNG)

 

[fireproof78]

The KU could stand for smaller nacelles but overall it is a sleek ship.

 

[NCC-73515]

Honestly I'd be fine if they ignored that. We rarely saw any non-Constitution Starfleet ships in TOS anyway. Visual continuity is already out of whack. Pike's bridge flipped back and forth from Q&A to the Cage to Discovery again. I just pretend the Cage/WNMHGB bridge was a temporary bridge module for special events (Rigel VII incident/going past the galactic barrier) and the sweaters seen in those episodes were dress uniforms. Disco's Enterprise bridge and uniforms are the Canon look for the 2250s and early 2260s.

As long as they don't overlap TOS' timeframe of late 2266, the new show can look however it wants. Purists can just pretend Kirk refit the ship to a retro look once he took command, and the uniforms changed again.

And the ship looked different cause it was a temporary galactic barrier upgrade that was then taken off again, refined, and re-installed

 

[Dukhat]

And the ship looked different cause it was a temporary galactic barrier upgrade that was then taken off again, refined, and re-installed

And I’m sure the Enterprise will look different from how we saw it in DSC, just like how the Abramsprise looked different between Into Darkness and Beyond. That’s the beauty of CGI models; they can be easily tweaked or changed over time.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I just pretend that Disco and its offspring are a soft reboot, which is easier than pretending that they're not.

 

[fireproof78]

If I want to get hypertechnical (I rarely do but the mood hit me recently) here is my view.

TOS-->TOS Films-->Berman Era-->Generations-->First Contact
|
|
------------Time Travel Shenanigins---
ENT-->USS Franklin-->USS Kelvin-->DIS

The events will carry on as they happened in TOS with time travel causing changes to the look.

My more simplified version is simply two different ways of telling the same story in universe.

 

[dinzy]

If I want to get hypertechnical (I rarely do but the mood hit me recently) here is my view.

TOS-->TOS Films-->Berman Era-->Generations-->First Contact
|
|
------------Time Travel Shenanigins---
ENT-->USS Franklin-->USS Kelvin-->DIS

The events will carry on as they happened in TOS with time travel causing changes to the look.

My more simplified version is simply two different ways of telling the same story in universe.

Assuming you are implying this:

ENT-->USS Franklin-->USS Kelvin ( no Nero) -->DIS S1&2 --> SNW --------->minimally altered TOS through First Contact --> Insurrection -> NEM -> Romulus Destroyed by Supernova -> Picard > ???? ->DIS S3+


I think this is logical enough ignoring the absurdity of time travel, though I could see the writers assuming First Contact either always happened or didn't change anything despite some Borg showing up on ENT. But what about VOY and DS9? I think I recall both eluding to First Contact or some TNG film events so they must have went from no Borg encountered by Archer to Borg encountered by Archer midstream.

Maybe Generations is where we see the 2 realities overlapped in the uniforms because it is so close to FC temporally.

 

[Mudd]

 

[fireproof78]

Assuming you are implying this:

ENT-->USS Franklin-->USS Kelvin ( no Nero) -->DIS S1&2 --> SNW --------->minimally altered TOS through First Contact --> Insurrection -> NEM -> Romulus Destroyed by Supernova -> Picard > ???? ->DIS S3+


I think this is logical enough ignoring the absurdity of time travel, though I could see the writers assuming First Contact either always happened or didn't change anything despite some Borg showing up on ENT. But what about VOY and DS9? I think I recall both eluding to First Contact or some TNG film events so they must have went from no Borg encountered by Archer to Borg encountered by Archer midstream.

Maybe Generations is where we see the 2 realities overlapped in the uniforms because it is so close to FC temporally.

My biggest thing is simply that the characters and the events largely unfold the same way, including TOS. It's just the tech that has changed. And I figure the best way to bring it all together is recognizing where the is some divergence in terms of the timeline.

Though, Star Trek has done that before since VOY showed LA in the 90s largely unaffected by the last world war.

 

[Yistaan]

This falls apart when Disco's "If Memory Serves" has the Cage (and an unremastered Cage at that) as its flashback scene though.

 

[Mudd]

This falls apart when Disco's "If Memory Serves" has the Cage (and an unremastered Cage at that) as its flashback scene though.

Nope. No more so than when TOS showed the Enterprise in one shot of an episode with the production nacelles and dish and ten minutes later another shot with the first pilot configuration - big dish, spikes, etc.