Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Nerys Myk]

Has anyone ever convinced anyone to like anything?

Also I was just saying that when I said "subspace can explain everything" I was joking. There are some things even subspace can't explain.


Lots of things have been a step too far for me. The consciousness jumping in Voyager's Cathexis, the probability warping in DS9's Rivals, the cavernous turbolift chamber in Discovery, literally everything in TAS's The Counter-Clock Incident etc. Some of the stuff with the Pah-wraiths in DS9's finale too to be honest.

Whenever I watch, read or play something, I start to subconsciously pick up on the rules that define the fictional universe and what is possible there. Wile E. Coyote can float in mid air for a second before falling, but he can't kill and eat a bird. Captain Kirk can meet an alien recreation of Abraham Lincoln floating in space, but he can't meet the ghost of Abraham Lincoln who has been trapped inside a magic hat. When an episode breaks the rules of its setting too much I stop buying into what's happening, the story collapses and my brain starts doing an autopsy on what I'm watching instead of enjoying it.

I think what really made me figuratively throw my hands up and go 'whatever!' was the characters accepting the explanation they got. The moment they stopped wondering who was creating the music and compelling them to sing, that was when I checked out.

Star trek may not be for you.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Pretty sure every Trek series has had a consciousness swapping story.

Edit: Wait, has Lower Decks had one yet?

Oh yeah, there's loads of them. Off the top of my head there's Turnabout Intruder, Vis à Vis, Spock Amok, Mindwalk. Having a disembodied character floating around and possessing people was a step too far for me though.

Star trek may not be for you.

It's a shame it took me 892 episodes and movies to realise this

 

[fireproof78]

Star trek may not be for you.

I mean, it's kind of like old school comics. If you didn't like one hero, sooner or later a new one would pop up for you.

Oh yeah, there's loads of them. Off the top of my head there's Turnabout Intruder, Vis à Vis, Spock Amok, Mindwalk. Having a disembodied character floating around and possessing people was a step too far for me though.

I personally liked the transferring consciousness to glowing orbs myself.

Chakotay was pretty crazy. But, what do you expect from the descendant of the Rubber People touched by aliens.

 

[dinzy]

I know I literally just said that I would accept that as an answer to any Star Trek weirdness in my latest review on my own site... but I don't accept that answer.


The only way that music's coming out of anomaly is if someone intelligent was screwing with the crew or they left their mind control music system running, and honestly I would've accepted either option. "A wizard did it" or "a computer did it" explain half of TOS episodes. But they said they were under the influence of a musical reality created by an improbability field and that's a bit too Hitchhiker's Guide for this universe.

How do you accept teleportation when the no cloning theorem is a physical law? You cannot duplicate quantum states therefore even if you could get the absurdly complex transformation from matter to energy to the same matter you could not reconstruct the quantum states. The whole concept of beaming a person is utterly absurd. I say this as a (former) physicist. Transporting is magic and since it is a core component to the show, Trek is a show about magic. The music was magic.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

How do you accept teleportation when the no cloning theorem is a physical law? You cannot duplicate quantum states therefore even if you could get the absurdly complex transformation from matter to energy to the same matter you could not reconstruct the quantum states. The whole concept of beaming a person is utterly absurd. I say this as a (former) physicist. Transporting is magic and since it is a core component to the show, Trek is a show about magic. The music was magic.

The more a viewer knows about about a relevant subject, the harder it is to suspend disbelief, but Trek has always had the excuse of relying on future science. Transporters work because physicists in the 23rd century know more quantum states than either of us. Einstein's contributions to our understanding of physics were only a century ago and Star Trek is centuries beyond us.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, but it's not literally magic.

I concede that music is a spontaneous natural creation of the universe, but first the universe has to create people (or a sentient nebula) and those people have to perform it or set up an AI to make something up. You can't skip that step, I don't care how improbable your universe is. Actually, I take that back, I do care, because manipulating probability is absurd as well.

 

[fireproof78]

Star Trek has literally put magic in it and Lucifer.

Anything else pales in comparison.

 

[Lord Hierarch]

Don't we interpret sounds from planet's and interpret that music?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Star Trek has literally put magic in it and Lucifer.

Anything else pales in comparison.

Magicks of Megas-Tu never happened. I mean, how could it? The centre of the galaxy can't be reached! No ship has ever gone into the Great Barrier. No probe has ever returned.

 

[Lord Hierarch]

Magicks of Megas-Tu never happened. I mean, how could it? The centre of the galaxy can't be reached! No ship has ever gone into the Great Barrier. No probe has ever returned.

The great barrier is a myth, like the Dominion War. A cover up for the actual Cardassian Invasion instigated by SF’s infiltration and coup on Bajor to weaken their neighbor and wipe out the Maqui embarrassment in one fell stroke!

changelings aren’t real, sheeple!!

 

[fireproof78]

Magicks of Megas-Tu never happened. I mean, how could it? The centre of the galaxy can't be reached! No ship has ever gone into the Great Barrier. No probe has ever returned.

Selective continuity now?

 

[The Wormhole]

Magicks of Megas-Tu never happened.

Guess my days of not taking you seriously have reached a middle.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Selective continuity now?

For TAS? Always.

 

[fireproof78]

For TAS? Always.

Well then,

I'm with The Wormhole.

Guess my days of not taking you seriously have reached a middle.

TAS has always been part of the Trek continuity for me, as well as TOS. I link them completely together and separating them seems like selective continuity to me.

 

[NCC-73515]

How do you accept teleportation when the no cloning theorem is a physical law? You cannot duplicate quantum states therefore even if you could get the absurdly complex transformation from matter to energy to the same matter you could not reconstruct the quantum states. The whole concept of beaming a person is utterly absurd. I say this as a (former) physicist. Transporting is magic and since it is a core component to the show, Trek is a show about magic. The music was magic.

do we know quantum states matter for a person to function?

 

[Odo]

Anyone else worried we might not get a season 4 or 5 with this paramount / Skydance business?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Anyone else worried we might not get a season 4 or 5 with this paramount / Skydance business?

These days I'm worried about not getting a season even when it's all been filmed and edited. Anything can happen and nothing's safe.

 

[fireproof78]

Anyone else worried we might not get a season 4 or 5 with this paramount / Skydance business?

No.

My worry won't change a damn thing.

 

[Commander Troi]

Good to remember, but hard to put in practice.

 

[fireproof78]

Good to remember, but hard to put in practice.

Well, I wouldn't have a job if it was easy to do.

But, that's the power of acceptance though.

 

[Firebird]

These days I'm worried about not getting a season even when it's all been filmed and edited. Anything can happen and nothing's safe.

We call that "the Zaslav Option."