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Strange New Worlds disappointment
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Primarily as a response to the Section 31 proposal above my response.
Plus, something something red shirt.
I'm very disappointed in this season. It was a significant reduction in quality compared to seasons 1 and 2.
I don't agree with all of this but I think there's certainly some big concerns here. I think there's been two core problems. One is the character arcs themselves which have been very disconnected from earlier seasons and quite out of character. The second is loose writing with plot holes.
Character Arc Problem. Spock and La'an were a very bad idea. His character has already had so much focus on romance and so little development in other areas, I'm very surprised that they thought another romance was a good way to show growth. Ethan has already done this and the audience has seen it extensively, there is nothing new to offer here. Ethan is a very capable Spock and showed his abilities well in Season 1. Give him more to do than be a ladies man.
In-universe, I also think it was bad idea. There's very little connection between this season to season 1 and 2. I feel as though all the characters have amnesia. Spock has appeared to forget all about his financee. He's not a free man so moving onto his next attraction should not be clear and simple. I appreciate that they are on break but this doesn't have much meaning when you're engaged. Chasing the next woman who looks hot and will sleep with you is shockingly poor form and a huge red flag for a selfish and immature person IRL. They haven't mentioned T'Pring once and he has not appeared to pause and even consider the implications of his actions. He (well, the writers) seem to have forgotten that she exists. T'Pring was a fabulous character and an important part of his growth. Involving Spock in a three romances in an unbroken chain, of which one appears to be largely driven by sex and attraction, is a disservice to all the characters.
He's also moved on from Chapel in bizarre and lightening speed. I though that in Ep 2 they established that he loved her. Given that he feels links more deeply, this should be a big deal for a Vulcan. Especially as he ended his life-long engagement to be with her. Moving onto another romance two episodes later is poor writing. It undermines the previous two seasons completely. It's very difficult to reconcile this was the Spock of season 2 who avoided Christine for six months because he didn't want to entertain the feelings that he knew were building and wanted to be a loyal man - Chapel and Spock literally had this discussion.
La'an's arc has also been lacklustre. They began a love story with her and Kirk and then dropped it. I would like to see her get better stories than casual sex and a lucky escape on a Gorn ship. I ideally would have liked to see her remain on the Gorn ship, be horribly tortured and then lead the federation's fight back against the Gorn. Let her have an action filled half a season where she leads something important and overcomes her fears about herself. I notice that they actually had Spock reinforce her fears this season by stating that she was angry and paranoid to the core. Let's see her be in a more positive, fulfilling relationship and get a much more exciting story.
Pike's storyline has also consisted almost entirely of romance. I don't have feelings about Batel either way but I think it's a disservice to his character to so constantly pair him with Batel and give him nothing but romance. He received much more interesting stories in Season 1. Ortegas started strong and then was a let down. The PTSD was great but it was disappointing to see the storyline dumped when it became inconvenient. She was back at the helm with no issues. They could have gotton so much more out the story. I'm also confused as to how Uhura did almost exactly the same thing as Erica but was patted on the head while Erica was given consequences.
Chapel's brilliance, vitality and warmth are out the door this season. Her character has had to settle for mostly romance with only one other episode. Her romance hasn't developed her in the slightest. She's had to smile at Korby and hold his bag at the end of the season. Jess Bush is so capable and did such a great job with being an enjoyable character with a brilliant inter-play with Spock in Season 1 and 2.
Una's just had nothing this season. Kirk had a good moment to shine in Ep 6 and Paul Wesly did a better job here than in previous seasons.
I think the writers must have changed this season as it's been very disappointing. The level of romance has been the stand out failure with a particular focus on Spock and La'an. I hope that they speed up any breakup scene between them and leave any other Spock romance on the cutting room floor. Let's see Spock get better stories in Season 4.
I don't agree with all of this but I think there's certainly some big concerns here. I think there's been two core problems. One is the character arcs themselves which have been very disconnected from earlier seasons and quite out of character. The second is loose writing with plot holes.
Character Arc Problem. Spock and La'an were a very bad idea. His character has already had so much focus on romance and so little development in other areas, I'm very surprised that they thought another romance was a good way to show growth. Ethan has already done this and the audience has seen it extensively, there is nothing new to offer here. Ethan is a very capable Spock and showed his abilities well in Season 1. Give him more to do than be a ladies man.
In-universe, I also think it was bad idea. There's very little connection between this season to season 1 and 2. I feel as though all the characters have amnesia. Spock has appeared to forget all about his financee. He's not a free man so moving onto his next attraction should not be clear and simple. I appreciate that they are on break but this doesn't have much meaning when you're engaged. Chasing the next woman who looks hot and will sleep with you is shockingly poor form and a huge red flag for a selfish and immature person IRL. They haven't mentioned T'Pring once and he has not appeared to pause and even consider the implications of his actions. He (well, the writers) seem to have forgotten that she exists. T'Pring was a fabulous character and an important part of his growth. Involving Spock in a three romances in an unbroken chain, of which one appears to be largely driven by sex and attraction, is a disservice to all the characters.
He's also moved on from Chapel in bizarre and lightening speed. I though that in Ep 2 they established that he loved her. Given that he feels links more deeply, this should be a big deal for a Vulcan. Especially as he ended his life-long engagement to be with her. Moving onto another romance two episodes later is poor writing. It undermines the previous two seasons completely. It's very difficult to reconcile this was the Spock of season 2 who avoided Christine for six months because he didn't want to entertain the feelings that he knew were building and wanted to be a loyal man - Chapel and Spock literally had this discussion.
La'an's arc has also been lacklustre. They began a love story with her and Kirk and then dropped it. I would like to see her get better stories than casual sex and a lucky escape on a Gorn ship. I ideally would have liked to see her remain on the Gorn ship, be horribly tortured and then lead the federation's fight back against the Gorn. Let her have an action filled half a season where she leads something important and overcomes her fears about herself. I notice that they actually had Spock reinforce her fears this season by stating that she was angry and paranoid to the core. Let's see her be in a more positive, fulfilling relationship and get a much more exciting story.
Pike's storyline has also consisted almost entirely of romance. I don't have feelings about Batel either way but I think it's a disservice to his character to so constantly pair him with Batel and give him nothing but romance. He received much more interesting stories in Season 1. Ortegas started strong and then was a let down. The PTSD was great but it was disappointing to see the storyline dumped when it became inconvenient. She was back at the helm with no issues. They could have gotton so much more out the story. I'm also confused as to how Uhura did almost exactly the same thing as Erica but was patted on the head while Erica was given consequences.
Chapel's brilliance, vitality and warmth are out the door this season. Her character has had to settle for mostly romance with only one other episode. Her romance hasn't developed her in the slightest. She's had to smile at Korby and hold his bag at the end of the season. Jess Bush is so capable and did such a great job with being an enjoyable character with a brilliant inter-play with Spock in Season 1 and 2.
Una's just had nothing this season. Kirk had a good moment to shine in Ep 6 and Paul Wesly did a better job here than in previous seasons.
I think the writers must have changed this season as it's been very disappointing. The level of romance has been the stand out failure with a particular focus on Spock and La'an. I hope that they speed up any breakup scene between them and leave any other Spock romance on the cutting room floor. Let's see Spock get better stories in Season 4.
I hate to break it to you, but canonically Spock still has to meet Leila Kalomi pretty soon, probably in Season 4.
I'll find it truly funny if he breaks up with La'an after a few episodes and starts shacking up with LeilaI hate to break it to you, but canonically Spock still has to meet Leila Kalomi pretty soon, probably in Season 4.
At that point, they couldn't do much more to get Spock out of character without actively trying. I know it's canon but I think they'll just ignore Leila. The frustration and reviews at that point would hit rock bottom - unless they're able to attract the Love Island audience Ambassador Spock: So how's your dating life?
Kelvin Timeline Spock: The same, still dating Nyota Uhura.
Ambassador Spock: Fascinating. When I was your age I had already dated T'Pring, Christine Chapel, La'an Noonien-Singh, and Leila Kalomi. Interestingly, Nyota Uhura was not someone I got around to dating.
Kelvin Timeline Spock: You violated your own vow not to reveal knowledge of your timeline just to tell me this?
Ambassador Spock:
Kelvin Timeline Spock: The same, still dating Nyota Uhura.
Ambassador Spock: Fascinating. When I was your age I had already dated T'Pring, Christine Chapel, La'an Noonien-Singh, and Leila Kalomi. Interestingly, Nyota Uhura was not someone I got around to dating.
Kelvin Timeline Spock: You violated your own vow not to reveal knowledge of your timeline just to tell me this?
Ambassador Spock:
There’s still one and a half more seasons. I’m sure that’s on the agenda.
I hate to break it to you, but canonically Spock still has to meet Leila Kalomi pretty soon, probably in Season 4.
my cousin is a stronger treker than me and of all the trek series, she loves TOS and DS9, I love TNG and have a soft spot for Kelvin Trek.
she has this theory about why snw has chosen to focus so much on spock love life. weird but this a theory see it below
Ambassador Spock: So how's your dating life?
Kelvin Timeline Spock: The same, still dating Nyota Uhura.
Ambassador Spock: Fascinating. When I was your age I had already dated T'Pring, Christine Chapel, La'an Noonien-Singh, and Leila Kalomi. Interestingly, Nyota Uhura was not someone I got around to dating.
Kelvin Timeline Spock: You violated your own vow not to reveal knowledge of your timeline just to tell me this?
Ambassador Spock:
my cousin also brought up a theory, on why they are obessed with spock's love life in SNW.
She thinks SNW will end the show more on Spock developing feelings for Uhura, which leads in to TOS and Kelvin trek that came after.
she herself is not big on romance but she thinks spock is going to spend his time dating all this girls for 4.5 season only to realise finally in the end of SNW season 5 that Uhura may have been the one girl he was meant to be with but circumstances are now different and he is already at the stage where he has purged himself of his human side.
Although Spock does wonder if he and uhura ever got together in another time line which will obviously be a big references to Kelvin Trek.
Now why I find this writers incompetent, I do think they may do this to tie all the star trek together including kelvin trek not to mention Spock does die in that time line.
Now while I still lean on the whole spock and stable girl friend is not just a thing since TOS made it so. I do not want spock and uhura to date in SNW, please God no and also SNW season 1 has already made reference to the kelvin timeline.
To those that like this pair spock/uhura without much criticism- watch the kelvin trek series that is still popular than any streaming star trek and also spock second most likeable pairing after spirk or K/S slash. which let us be honest , the writers will never make canon.
The show is already female driven so if they ever make kirk and spock a couple they will loose a lot of their male watchers that already have issues with the show disportionate ratio of female to male.
However it would be a mistake to pair spock/uhura in SNW, however I can still buy some bread that spock does end the show been more fixated and in love with uhura, which will tie into some of their scenes in charlie x, is there no truth in beauty or man trap or some of the TOS deleted scene where uhura showed she could have a physical effect on spock.
deleted scenes like this in TOS are for good reasons. if they have kept this scene people in the 60s would think Spock and Uhura had sex that night. Uhura comes off way to seductive in this scene and Spock does not care to stop her. I mean in TOS it was not even close who any guy would have preferred TOS uhura over TOS chapel any day.
Although I tend to lean a lot to uhura having the babe magnet effect she was in TOS on Nichelle Nichols playing her than the character itself.
So SNW Spock love journey
Tpring-chapel-Laan-Leilia-Uhura
It is awful but knowing this writers, they may as well burn on the bridges. my cousin also said spock/uhura is a far more likeable paring than spock/chapel even before the jj trek films, something I agree with based on the awfulness of SNW soap opera mess.
She think that there is no way the writers wont make some kind of major references to spock/uhura at some point in SNW. references is fine but please, Spock and Uhura should not date in SNW.
awwwww. please read my last post below. my cousin also sees some kind of agenda.
TL;DRawwwww. please read my last post below. my cousin also sees some kind of agenda.
awwwww. please read my last post below. my cousin also sees some kind of agenda.
Um, I was just making a joke.
sorry, let me cut the story shot SNW Season 5 ends by tieing all the star trek together which includes kelvin trek.
So spock starts the show with feelings for tpring, burns the bridges with chapel, laan, may be lelia and ends the show having the strongest feelings for uhura but never acting on it but wondering about it which ties in kelvin trek and some of their TOS moments.
I do think this would be a plausible trek thing in SNW to do since star trek does very good alternate reality stories and kelvin trek is where spock/uhura is a canon thing.
However I am against spock and uhura dating in SNW.
Something I find quite hilarious about the show, since the show is clearly written from the post me too era tv female perspective. many tv writers today tend to look down on the fact the a female character should be physically attractive. they find it against modern feminist values because it means that male characters or the male audience's will not be able to see women beyond their looks when in reality. men tend to like women that have beauty, a good personality and brains.
SNW has told us Spock and Pike are hot or sexy, but they never done so with any of the girls because women should be more than that even though the girls in SNW are attractive.
its ironic that SNW is a prequel to TOS since one of the most famous scenes of uhura or spock/uhura was spock actually saying uhura was a beauty, when kollos made everyone reveal their inner thoughts.
But god forbid SNW does that because female characters should no longer be commended for their physical attractiveness, ignored should be the male gaze but they have no problem commending men for their attractiveness as they do with SNW Pike and Spock.
I swear some of this modern feminist writers contradict themselves so much so that I am not even sure they believe their story telling for real. If there is any consolation for my issue with snw, I really do hope they begin to merge SNW and TOS uhura as the same character as the seasons goes by.
SNW has told us Spock and Pike are hot or sexy, but they never done so with any of the girls because women should be more than that even though the girls in SNW are attractive.
its ironic that SNW is a prequel to TOS since one of the most famous scenes of uhura or spock/uhura was spock actually saying uhura was a beauty, when kollos made everyone reveal their inner thoughts.
But god forbid SNW does that because female characters should no longer be commended for their physical attractiveness, ignored should be the male gaze but they have no problem commending men for their attractiveness as they do with SNW Pike and Spock.
I swear some of this modern feminist writers contradict themselves so much so that I am not even sure they believe their story telling for real. If there is any consolation for my issue with snw, I really do hope they begin to merge SNW and TOS uhura as the same character as the seasons goes by.
No. They are going to do nothing with the Kelvin Timeline.
Kelvin Trek isn’t in SNW/TOS’s future. Or past for that matter.
I did not say they were what I said is they may make call backs to kelvin trek but I do hope they do not pair spock/uhura in snw and make them a couple.
I am okayish with reference in snw that they are a thing in another time line or they become loosely into each other with each other by the end of season 5 but not a full blown thing like their kelvin counter parts.
it will be icky and beyond far fetched to think spock slept with 3 of the women on the bridge he served with.
not even the snw is perfect apologists would come up with any good excuse to defend that.
I suppose it seems that way because it happens very quickly from the POV of a TV audience watching it as filmed. If you witnessed a friend's relationships in real life, with time moving at the pace of real time, it wouldn't seem as jarring.
does anyone find it odd that the main thing people seem disappointed with the most is the romance angle of the show
we talk more about it than the science part and this means nothing about the sci fi aspect of the show stood out like all the romance part of the show.
we talk more about it than the science part and this means nothing about the sci fi aspect of the show stood out like all the romance part of the show.
would you have been fine if JJ Abrams did this to spock?
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