Strange New Worlds disappointment

[gabby1701]

DSC did almost nothing better than SNW.

Romance is better

The gay couple and michael and book were better.
They were less toxic and no soap opera and acted like adults


Michael and book were mostly a good balanced pair and respected each other. spock and chapel were the opposite


Also discovery Alternate reality plot was better science fiction than snw has ever done

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Also discovery Alternate reality plot was better science fiction than snw has ever done

The Mirror Universe???? Please tell me you're joking.

 

[gabby1701]

The Mirror Universe???? Please tell me you're joking.

No I am not
It was well done and had stakes and the locca reveal was good and suprising

 

[Warp Core Breach]

Well, it takes all kinds.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

No I am not
It was well done and had stakes and the locca reveal was good and suprising

 

[Yistaan]

I said trek is more grounded in reality than the other series. I never bashed star wars, and speaking of star wars, do you remember not to long ago, when star trek 2009 came out, a lot of trek fans said it was a star wars movie and it was fantasy and it was not real star trek.

Wonder how they can now defend SNW that is even more fantasy than star wars while in reality star trek 2009 was actually a science fiction film more sci-fi based than SNW or star wars. I am baffled by the inconsistency.

SNW has been the least sci-fi driven series in nu trek, star trek discovery has done better, I am worried about all the excuses.

As bad as SNW S3 was, we can break down the episodes but I'm not seeing anything more "magical" in any of them that wasn't already established in TOS or TNG. It's just that the shorter list of episodes make these "magical" elements more prominent.

Hegemony 2: Nothing particularly magical, Batel is saved through technobabble that is a regular feature of Trek since TOS.

Wedding Bell Blues: Magical, but Q and Trelane ALREADY used this magic in TOS/TNG.

Shuttle to Kenfori: Admittedly this has zombies, however it's not really any worse than say, Genesis, in TNG where mutated beings run amok. The chimera plant is magical but TOS already had kironide food giving people powers in Plato's Stepchildren.

A Space Adventure Hour: Typical holodeck episode with no real magical elements, had been done a gazillion times on TNG.

Through the Lens of Time: Non-corporeal aliens who aren't really any more magical than what was already featured in TOS/TNG.

Sehlat Who Ate Tail: No magical elements, just another human colony that went bad and TOS/TNG had tons of these.

What is Starfleet: No magical elements in the documentary.

Four and a half Vulcans: Admittedly this one is pretty bad, however the aforementioned Genesis and that episode where Geordi was mutated into an alien showed people can be transformed back and forth into alien life as already established in TNG.

Terrarium: Magical Metrons already featured in TOS.

New Life and New Civilizations: Batel becomes a god like Gary Mitchell did (or will chronologically)

 

[Mudd]

Time travel
Alternate reality
Black holes
Red matter
Space battles

Aside from the fact that black holes exist, all of those are fantasy tropes. "Red matter?" Space battles?

Now when you have yahoo, ign ,polygon, cbr, den of geek

You take that kind of bullshit seriously, do you?

I am afraid my approach is different

That much is certainly true.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Aside from the fact that black holes exist, all of those are fantasy tropes.



You take that kind of bullshit seriously, do you?

They call them "portals"

 

[gabby1701]

Aside from the fact that black holes exist, all of those are fantasy tropes.

No they are not in the context of that film

Black holes was used for time travel which is an actual science hypothesis . Nolan interstellar used the concept and that movie is science fiction not fantasy

Alternate reality is science fiction based on. Real science hypothesis of the many world theory and Stephen hawkings a theory of eveything

Red matter to create black holes is another real science hypothesis based off the negative energy concept of keeping cosmic holes open for a longer period

Time travel itself is somewhat real due to time dilation and this was used in the film for the spock and Nero story lines

I can go on in explaining why trek 2009 is actual science fiction and a much superior star trek to what snw is doing now.

Geez I get more.excited talking of actual science fiction from a 16 years ago trek movie than what we are getting now from the not so strange new worlds

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Red matter to create black holes is another real science hypothesis based off the negative energy concept of keeping cosmic holes open for a longer period

Red matter exists?????

 

[gabby1701]

Red matter exists?????

No.and that is why it is science fiction however a similar concept is a real science hypothesis and that is why we call it science fiction.

If it ever becomes real science it will be under negative energy or exotic matter since the entire point of it s to distort the fabric of space time which allows black holes and worm holes to be formed as we see in the movie



This is actual physics theory but it has yet to be found in practice.again that is why trek 2009 is science fiction

We need more red matter elements in snw than Spock boring high school love life

 

[Mudd]

Romance is better

The gay couple and michael and book were better.
They were less toxic and no soap opera and acted like adults


Michael and book were mostly a good balanced pair and respected each other. spock and chapel were the opposite


Also discovery Alternate reality plot was better science fiction than snw has ever done

No. The series was pretty awful, from start to finish.

Red matter exists?????

No. It's magic words, like "Abracadabra."

Not much of that list exists. Calling something "a real science hypothesis" is a very low bar. Science theory is something else.

The entire plot of Star Trek 2009 is fantasy, and much of it is narrative gibberish.

We need more red matter elements in snw than Spock boring high school love life

"We" most certainly do not.

 

[The Wormhole]

No.and that is why it is science fiction however a similar concept is a real science hypothesis and that is why we call it science fiction.

If it ever becomes real science it will be under negative energy or exotic matter since the entire point of it s to distort the fabric of space time which allows black holes and worm holes to be formed as we see in the movie



This is actual physics theory but it has yet to be found in practice.again that is why trek 2009 is science fiction

We need more red matter elements in snw than Spock boring high school love life

Da fuq? Science Fiction author John Scalzi has always been critical of red matter, even going so far as to say on his blog one time he can not take science fiction seriously if it has JJ Abrams's name on it specifically because of red matter. That you think this is what makes Trek XI "true science fiction" is quite bizarre. Even Orci admitted red matter was the simplified version of what he wanted to use in the movie because Abrams felt what Orci wanted to use, which was based on actual scientific theory "wasn't cool enough."

 

[gabby1701]

Da fuq? Science Fiction author John Scalzi has always been critical of red matter, even going so far as to say on his blog one time he can not take science fiction seriously if it has JJ Abrams's name on it specifically because of red matter. That you think this is what makes Trek XI "true science fiction" is quite bizarre. Even Orci admitted red matter was the simplified version of what he wanted to use in the movie because Abrams felt what Orci wanted to use, which was based on actual scientific theory "wasn't cool enough."

Yes that is part of what science fiction is
we can argue if it was good or bad science fiction.

And many in the science community will be split which is normal

I seem to recall a documentary I watched called the universe and it made alot of refernce to trek 2009 and what red matter will be if it were real. It is exotic matter as it is something artifical created to bend or wrap space time unlike say a collapsing star that will naturally create black holes that bends thr fabric of space time by itself


With Red matter in a sci fi concept you can create your own black holes than wait for a star to burn out of itself. So this is subjective sci fi and this was what spock tries to do in the movie

Has snw Spock done any science research or is he on to his next girlfriend of the month or dancing around


Every sci fi movie or tv gets criticised but at least we can still put them under sci fi.subjective opinion will vary on if it is good or bad but the concept needs to be solid and red matter is a solid interpretation of negative energy to create black holes

That is sci fiction if you want pure fantasy we can ask Hermiome Granger for her time turner.


I will take red matter over that than God like batel

 

[HotRod]

I will take red matter over that than God like batel

Have you even seen Star Trek? Characters becoming God-like beings is the franchises bread and butter.

 

[Firebird]

I will take red matter over that than God like batel

Right, because Star Trek has never had characters becoming gods before.

Oh.

 

[fireproof78]

Every sci fi movie or tv gets criticised but at least we can still put them under sci fi.subjective opinion will vary on if it is good or bad but the concept needs to be solid and red matter is a solid interpretation of negative energy to create black holes

Citation needed.

 

[GhoulEddie74]

At this point I'll take even the slimmest reason for this argument to even exist.

 

[Warp Core Breach]

At this point I'll take even the slimmest reason for this argument to even exist.

Some fuckwad on Yahoo or TikTok or YouTube said it was valid, so it must be so.

 

[Mudd]

At this point I'll take even the slimmest reason for this argument to even exist...

Because, as Jefferson so eloquently put it, "The tree of fandom must be watered from time to time with the posts of newbies lecturing us on what does and does not suit their personal definitions of quality and of science fiction."