And La'an isn't mean. She just isn't cuddly.
Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"
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I'd cuddle with her....
After April appeared, I kept kicking the name 'Adrian Holmes' around in my head...sounded so familiar...then I realized:
It's Nick Barron from 19-2!
That makes the THIRD actor from 19-2 to appear in Trek.
(The others were both on DSC...'Stone' from "Context Is For Kings", and Airiam's husband from...whatever episode he was in.)
It's Nick Barron from 19-2!
That makes the THIRD actor from 19-2 to appear in Trek.
(The others were both on DSC...'Stone' from "Context Is For Kings", and Airiam's husband from...whatever episode he was in.)
I'll take your word for it.After April appeared, I kept kicking the name 'Adrian Holmes' around in my head...sounded so familiar...then I realized:
Yet ANOTHER actor from 19-2 has now appeared in Trek!
(on that show, Holmes played officer Nick Barron.)
^ 19-2 really is an awesome show, you should try it out
I rewatched all the episodes this one connects to (last time was >5 years ago), and haven't found any clear inconsistencies. Using humans as breeding sacs is a little extreme though
I would say she's sour, pissed all the time, but that's simply the beginning of her arc. The dark makeup around her eyes enhances it (many women wear it like that these days, and I don't see how that can be seen as beauty
). Pictures of the actor at the preview or in interviews show a much more friendly face, of course.you do know of her addiction and its effects, of course.
in the last big discussion about that, the conclusion was that they do it every morning, because it is logical to relieve certain physiological blood reallocations that happen in the morning... probably without emotions, purely mechanical, while both of them focus on other things like reading the news
Would've been even funnier: They only touch fingers, and the waiter almost throws them out
...
I would say she's sour, pissed all the time, but that's simply the beginning of her arc. The dark makeup around her eyes enhances it (many women wear it like that these days, and I don't see how that can be seen as beauty
Methink, La'an is a perfect carbon copy of Camina Drummer of "the Expanse"- in the looks, demeanors and attitudes... Wait..., is it blasphemous to say that "E" word here...??
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People, I think a lot of us can feel satisfaction. I would say many think that this is what Enterprise should have been and maybe what Voyager should have been. OK, I must say I didn´t much like Pike and Spock´s intros but the entry to the ship was seamless and the characters they had time for were introduced effectively. It was nice to see it followed basic pilot approach while not trying to cramm every single protagonist .
The plot and themes were, in a lot of ways, throwback to stuff of old but as long as it is not repeated too many times, it worked ideally. Pike seems to combine everything good about Kirk and Sisko, molding it in his own thing.
And, honostly, I´m not sold much on La´an. We will see what they will make of her.
People, I think a lot of us can feel satisfaction. I would say many think that this is what Enterprise should have been and maybe what Voyager should have been. OK, I must say I didn´t much like Pike and Spock´s intros but the entry to the ship was seamless and the characters they had time for were introduced effectively. It was nice to see it followed basic pilot approach while not trying to cramm every single protagonist .
The plot and themes were, in a lot of ways, throwback to stuff of old but as long as it is not repeated too many times, it worked ideally. Pike seems to combine everything good about Kirk and Sisko, molding it in his own thing.
And, honostly, I´m not sold much on La´an. We will see what they will make of her.
Well I've checked the polls and done the maths, and it turns out that this is TrekBSS's lowest scoring pilot episode by a mile, getting just 2 out of 10!
But out of curiosity I tried flipping the numbers and this is how the scores work out:
But out of curiosity I tried flipping the numbers and this is how the scores work out:
- Strange New Worlds - Strange New Worlds - 9.0
- Prodigy - Lost & Found - 8.0
- Lower Decks - Second Contact - 7.4
- Discovery - The Vulcan Hello - 6.7
This is the first episode of Star Trek since Voyager’s scorpion part 1 that I would give a 10/10. But maybe I am being too generous as this is the type of Star Trek that we should have got years ago, and my excitement at having a series which so closely resembles what we know and love is probably clouding my judgment and giving me rose tinted glasses to view the episode through. Therefore, I have high praise for the overall packaging of the show, at least for the presentation of episode 1. Let’s hope that this quality of production continues for the duration of season 1 and beyond. I am assuming that as this is a 5 year mission, this will be a 5 year series of stand alone episodes with 5 seasons as Pike states in the opening credits? I guess that they could do a two parter ‘Year of Hell’ style episode if they wanted to shorten the series down by a year or so for budget reasons?
First of all, the special effects were absolutely fantastic, they did seem a bit CGI cartoon like in places but I think that they are more than acceptable on a television budget and almost movie quality. The most cartoonish effect was the shuttle craft landing in the snow as the Admiral arrives to pick up the reluctant Captain Pike for his mission to rescue Una. Speaking of Una, I was not happy with how easily Pike could transfer his pet name for her ‘number one’ to another crew member, I always assumed that there a bit of sentiment behind these more personalised designations that Captain’s give to address their crew members. This could show us that there may be a bit of shallowness about this iteration of the Pike character when dealing with the people around him, but hopefully this is a character trait that he will grow out of as the series develops and he begins to forge even deeper bonds with his crew.
Back to the special effects though, I think that many people would agree with me when I say that the Enterprise being exposed to the entire planet’s population was quite breathtaking and very well directed. As breathtaking as these special effects shots were, we also got to see very well rendered effect shots of the destruction of major Earth cities during a World War III depiction. These scenes, all though rated PG-13, were still quite disturbing and very effective at showcasing the potential flashpoint’s of nuclear weapons of mass destruction causing (beyond) decimation of Earth cities and causing apocalyptic devastation to our planet. I’m not sure how Earth could have recovered from this type of devastation in all honesty and rebuilt in to the future that we know and love in the Star Trek universe. This conflict almost seemed like an extinction level event that would lead to the collapse of not just civilised society but also entire natural ecosystems, and surely radiation levels would make large parts of our planet uninhabitable for most forms of life (other than Dalek’s) well past the 24th century. Any survivors from this conflict would surely be living in hellish post apocalyptic conditions, irradiated to debilitating and torturous levels, not to speak of the collateral horrific injuries, disabilities, societal problems and disease that would also be running rampant in such a nightmare scenario. The destruction of civilisation and society on a World War III level would be irreversible in my opinion, and create a world not worth living in for those unfortunate enough to survive the said apocalyptic nuclear hell hole until humanity ‘fizzled out’. I’m hoping that World War III as depicted in this episode never actually happened in the prime Star Trek timeline, but instead in an mirror alternate universe running parallel with our own and this is why we never get to see it properly on screen. I think that it would be cool if all records of World War III were recorded by ‘someone’ (see spoilers below!) in this alternate reality and sent over to prime Earth of the time as a warning as to what could happen if people get too trigger happy over politics and forget the true value of living in peace and encouraging planetary harmony and cooperation for *all* of our mutual benefit and survival.
The soundtrack was fantastic overall, from subtle moments to more bombastic orchestral numbers. I LOVE the theme music during the opening credits (which is also animated very well by the special effects department) and enjoyed the derivation of the original TOS theme tune. I can see myself listening to the soundtrack of this series on a regular basis when it is eventually released. It will be good to add this to my Star Trek music collection.
I thought that it was unfortunate that the writers decided to put in to canon the fact that the Gorn use human corpses as ‘birthing sacks’. This is not a reptilian trait that I am aware of and is more appropriate for an insectoid species. Perhaps this series will reimagine the Gorn as insects such as the Zarbi, or maybe they are like the Xindi and the Gorn Federation has many evolutions such as aquatics and avians etc. too? This could explain not seeing the reptilian Gorn until Arena.
I liked how the writer’s so closely linked this 23rd century series in with it’s partner show, Discovery. I hope that we get to see some crossovers over the coming seasons.
The acting was of a high standard, and I look forward to getting to know all of these characters as they seem quite likeable at the moment.
Finally, why was Spock running amok and engaging in intimate relations out of wedlock and his 7 year Pon Far cycle? Or am I mistaken and he has already been married off? Has there ever been an instance of him breaking with traditions like this before? We can not include the Genesis incident with Saavik, that all resulted from an uncontrollable chain of events and without Saavik’s intervention surely Spock would have died of his first Pon Farr?
So I give this episode 10/10 and a big thumbs up!
*EDIT*
I didn’t read the poll and accidentally rated this episode as terrible 10/10. Please ignore that, sorry. It’s 10/10 good or 1/10 good however you want to see it!
First of all, the special effects were absolutely fantastic, they did seem a bit CGI cartoon like in places but I think that they are more than acceptable on a television budget and almost movie quality. The most cartoonish effect was the shuttle craft landing in the snow as the Admiral arrives to pick up the reluctant Captain Pike for his mission to rescue Una. Speaking of Una, I was not happy with how easily Pike could transfer his pet name for her ‘number one’ to another crew member, I always assumed that there a bit of sentiment behind these more personalised designations that Captain’s give to address their crew members. This could show us that there may be a bit of shallowness about this iteration of the Pike character when dealing with the people around him, but hopefully this is a character trait that he will grow out of as the series develops and he begins to forge even deeper bonds with his crew.
Back to the special effects though, I think that many people would agree with me when I say that the Enterprise being exposed to the entire planet’s population was quite breathtaking and very well directed. As breathtaking as these special effects shots were, we also got to see very well rendered effect shots of the destruction of major Earth cities during a World War III depiction. These scenes, all though rated PG-13, were still quite disturbing and very effective at showcasing the potential flashpoint’s of nuclear weapons of mass destruction causing (beyond) decimation of Earth cities and causing apocalyptic devastation to our planet. I’m not sure how Earth could have recovered from this type of devastation in all honesty and rebuilt in to the future that we know and love in the Star Trek universe. This conflict almost seemed like an extinction level event that would lead to the collapse of not just civilised society but also entire natural ecosystems, and surely radiation levels would make large parts of our planet uninhabitable for most forms of life (other than Dalek’s) well past the 24th century. Any survivors from this conflict would surely be living in hellish post apocalyptic conditions, irradiated to debilitating and torturous levels, not to speak of the collateral horrific injuries, disabilities, societal problems and disease that would also be running rampant in such a nightmare scenario. The destruction of civilisation and society on a World War III level would be irreversible in my opinion, and create a world not worth living in for those unfortunate enough to survive the said apocalyptic nuclear hell hole until humanity ‘fizzled out’. I’m hoping that World War III as depicted in this episode never actually happened in the prime Star Trek timeline, but instead in an mirror alternate universe running parallel with our own and this is why we never get to see it properly on screen. I think that it would be cool if all records of World War III were recorded by ‘someone’ (see spoilers below!) in this alternate reality and sent over to prime Earth of the time as a warning as to what could happen if people get too trigger happy over politics and forget the true value of living in peace and encouraging planetary harmony and cooperation for *all* of our mutual benefit and survival.
Maybe Young Guinan and Rios played a part in getting this message across with the help of Wil Wheaton, sorry I mean Wesley Crusher thanks to the Watchers and the Travellers?
The soundtrack was fantastic overall, from subtle moments to more bombastic orchestral numbers. I LOVE the theme music during the opening credits (which is also animated very well by the special effects department) and enjoyed the derivation of the original TOS theme tune. I can see myself listening to the soundtrack of this series on a regular basis when it is eventually released. It will be good to add this to my Star Trek music collection.
I thought that it was unfortunate that the writers decided to put in to canon the fact that the Gorn use human corpses as ‘birthing sacks’. This is not a reptilian trait that I am aware of and is more appropriate for an insectoid species. Perhaps this series will reimagine the Gorn as insects such as the Zarbi, or maybe they are like the Xindi and the Gorn Federation has many evolutions such as aquatics and avians etc. too? This could explain not seeing the reptilian Gorn until Arena.
I liked how the writer’s so closely linked this 23rd century series in with it’s partner show, Discovery. I hope that we get to see some crossovers over the coming seasons.
The acting was of a high standard, and I look forward to getting to know all of these characters as they seem quite likeable at the moment.
Finally, why was Spock running amok and engaging in intimate relations out of wedlock and his 7 year Pon Far cycle? Or am I mistaken and he has already been married off? Has there ever been an instance of him breaking with traditions like this before? We can not include the Genesis incident with Saavik, that all resulted from an uncontrollable chain of events and without Saavik’s intervention surely Spock would have died of his first Pon Farr?
So I give this episode 10/10 and a big thumbs up!
*EDIT*
I didn’t read the poll and accidentally rated this episode as terrible 10/10. Please ignore that, sorry. It’s 10/10 good or 1/10 good however you want to see it!
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Can't people change their votes? (I haven't voted myself so I can't check).
There's a big button called "change your vote" right there!
If only there was a "Change Your Vote" button or something ...
*phew*If only there was a "Change Your Vote" button or something ...
Uhm, even leaving aside the fact that those three characters are nothing alike, Burnham was created by Bryan Fuller, Raffi by Michael Chabon and La'an by Akiva Goldsman.
Well, take it as a retcon. You're not supposed to think that it's the same design -- it's not.
Yuck! :|
Why didn’t you like this episode? I’d be curious to see in the Voyager forum what you thought of it? Obviously the Strange New World’s forum is not the place for discussing other Star Trek series, and I would also hate to hijack the thread with Voyager discussion.
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