Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

[Kzinti]

Doesn't it usually get linked by someone, or the score mentioned at least?

no to both and thank the stars for that Aj is toxic af

 

[Roald]

I feel like I haven't seen Angry Joe's review linked yet. Doesn't it usually get linked by someone, or the score mentioned at least? I wonder if something could've changed to make them less interested in his opinion this time around...

Well there are SOOO many hate reviews by angry bearded men, and they’re all trying to ‘outdo’ each other in who hates NuTrek the most…. I wouldn’t mind if there is no linking to any of them….

 

[T'Bonz]

I finally got to watch the ep.

Wow. They knocked it out of the park. THIS is the Trek I've been waiting for since 1971.

 

[Paul755]

I really liked it. But don’t think it was the be-all, end-all that a lot of people do. A solid 8/10 (or 3 I suppose) and the best “live action” plot of the Kurtzman era. I’d still put it behind LD and maybe Prodigy.

The thing with Kirk’s bother was done way too cutesy.

It’s been a while since I’ve seen Amok Time but didn’t Spock say he hadn’t seen T’Pring since they were both children? I guess “almost screwing” doesn’t count. But I may be wrong.

 

[Noname Given]

It’s been a while since I’ve seen Amok Time but didn’t Spock say he hadn’t seen T’Pring since they were both children? I guess “almost screwing” doesn’t count. But I may be wrong.

No - He just said:

KIRK: Marriage party? You said T'Pring was your wife.

SPOCK: By our parents' arrangement. A ceremony while we were but seven years of age. Less than a marriage but more than a betrothal...

^^^
So, yeah doesn't mean her never saw her again after that ceremony in the intervening years.

 

[Rusty0918]

Rotten Tomatoes still has it as 100% out of 30 reviews, FYI. This is a Trek that so far deserves its stellar reviews!

Kurtzman does a lot better without Orci. Agree?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

First thing I noticed when I watched, because I noticed the two women at helm and nav, and took a quick look around while they were panning. I just thought it was very cool, almost like an inverse of the original TOS pilot where it was all men and one woman on the bridge.

But in "The Cage" Pike says he is still getting used to women on the bridge.

CANNON VIOLATION

 

[Rusty0918]

But in "The Cage" Pike says he is still getting used to women on the bridge.

CANNON VIOLATION

This is set FIVE YEARS after "The Cage." He ought to be used to it by now!

 

[Cyrus]

But in "The Cage" Pike says he is still getting used to women on the bridge.

CANNON VIOLATION

And how come Spock doesn't shout "The Women"?

And where is the bridge paper printer?

 

[dswynne1]

Wait, so did we bomb the military that tried to coup Hirohito, or did we bomb two major cities with massive civilian populations? Because this sounds like a forced choice scenario, and it was not a forced choice on the part of the US. We did not have to drop bombs and kill hundreds of thousands immediately, and millions over the years from horrible radiation related illnesses. Why Japan and not Germany?

We are the only nation that has ever used a nuclear device on another nation in any kind of combat. We have no room to proclaim other nations a danger to the world when we hold that ghastly trophy in our hands.


So we did it out of revenge? That sounds worse than doing it because we thought they wouldn't surrender, and of course the Japanese government would negotiate for things the US would consider off the table, that's why they're negotiations. The US, if it were so interested, could have worked things out if they wanted, but as you say, they weren't about to let Japan get away with catching them by surprise at Pearl Harbor.


That's convenient. Where else have I heard that <insert enemy population> has been training their children to attack the US should they invade? To put it another way, the US military is very good at looking like it had no other choice when it bombs two major cities and kills thousands of innocents, so they claim the innocents weren't so innocent.

It's the police equivalent of "they weren't angels," when they shoot a minority. The narrative has to always be the person with total power had no other choice, and in the case of the US dropping two nuclear bombs on the civilians of Japan, they had to make it seem as if there were no other choice. Of course, as we get further away from the history that was painted by the US military, we find glaring holes in that logic.

After the battle of Midway, Japan began talking amongst itself about surrender.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-the-us-really-bombed-hiroshima/



Granted, this is all for another topic, but this notion that we had no choice to drop two bombs on Japanese men, women, and children is false. It is a blatant retelling of US history to make us look like the good guys, because good guys wouldn't purposely target civilians, would they?

So why the bomb? Why two bombs? Why on civilians? Why when Japan was talking conditional surrender?

Just something to consider.

I'll get back to the topic at hand now.

And all that you've stated is nothing more than a form of self-flagellation brought on by feelings of misspent guilt. We weren't there to make the decision to drop the atom bomb. And make no mistake: the Axis Powers would have had no compunction in dropping the bomb on any of the Allied Powers. It just that, in this reality, the Allies beat the Axis to the punch. Besides, I would venture to say that because of what happened to end the war, that act is what is preventing the use of nuclear weapons today as an option. We seen the horrors, both on human lives and the environment, which is why, again, I seriously doubt that nuclear weapons will ever be used in this day and age.

BTW? The fire-bombings caused by the Americans during the war caused more civilian deaths than did the two nuclear weapons, and the Japanese government under General Tojo refused to budge. Go figure.

 

[J.D.]

I re watched the episode 3 times. I have a lot of feelings right now, so let's just say I loved it

 

[G. Boney]

I didn't miss that. None of that explains how she would have known that Pike's plan was to beam down disguised as the natives at a genetic level or had time to create these injections specifically for those three officers. Pike didn't even explain his plan, he simply said "Let's go see the Doctor" and the rest played out as if M'Benga and Chapel had known this plan for a while.

M'Benga says "I received your orders, Captain" to Pike after they hug and greet. We didn't see Pike give any orders, so it's safe to assume some time has passed between the "Let's go see the doctor" scene and this one. But I agree it could've been handled better.

 

[BillJ]

We are the only nation that has ever used a nuclear device on another nation in any kind of combat. We have no room to proclaim other nations a danger to the world when we hold that ghastly trophy in our hands.

Sure we do. Because once Japan surrendered, we were right there helping them rebuild their cities. We knew first hand the human and societal cost of what we did. Plus, we today weren't the ones that made that decision, it has been nearly eighty years since the event happened.

I'm not interested in constantly being punished for the choices or mistakes of my ancestors, I only hope I can learn from them.

 

[Mudd]

The thing with Kirk’s bother was done way too cutesy.

That was so wonderful. Totally got me.

It’s been a while since I’ve seen Amok Time but didn’t Spock say he hadn’t seen T’Pring since they were both children?.

No.

 

[Belz...]

Now that I've got Crave for SNW I've started watching DSC S4 and PIC S2... and now I can see the vast difference in tone between the Trek I wanted, and the Trek I got in the last few years. SNW's first episode is hopeful and bright, compared to the much darker, somber tone of the other two series.

I'm also giving LD and PRO a go, though I think the former really isn't for me.

 

[Kaelef]

I'm also giving LD and PRO a go, though I think the former really isn't for me.

I wasn't expecting to like it much, but it quickly grew on me after the first couple of episodes.

 

[BillJ]

I'm also giving LD and PRO a go, though I think the former really isn't for me.

I quickly fell in love with Lower Decks, even though I was sure it wasn't for me in the lead up to the show. I'm more interested by far in the story they are telling right now than anything Discovery or Picard have done.

 

[Mudd]

I found LD entertaining, but unless TV cartoons are fairly visually experimental or have really off-the-wall humor they bore me. I enjoyed the five or so LD episodes I watched last year and have had no curiosity about it since.

Prodigy? Nickelodeon kiddie hour. Pass.

 

[ToddCam]

We are the only nation that has ever used a nuclear device on another nation in any kind of combat. We have no room to proclaim other nations a danger to the world when we hold that ghastly trophy in our hands.

I suspect it is a universal trait, but sometimes it feels uniquely American how we can hold ourselves as greater evils than others by default. American exceptionalism has to mean we're exceptionally bad, too.

The dropping of the nukes on Japan was a monstrous act that was probably unjustifiable. But "America" didn't do it, especially not in perpetuity. The leadership of the government and military ordered it. Other people carried it out. I doubt BillJ and I agree on much, but feeling endless guilt about the acts of your forebears is useless. Being cognizant of those actions, learning from them, and avoiding the same pitfalls is what we should do. And to say we cannot comment on something because of historical wrongs is ridiculous. Are we supposed to ignore any German about the rise of fascism, like say in the United States or Russia, because Hitler? If so, how many centuries does that last? How much German do you have to be to qualify as guilty of Germany's sins?

 

[Tuskin38]

Prodigy? Nickelodeon kiddie hour. Pass.

You're completely wrong about that.

It's made for everyone, not just kids. Don't dismiss it right away, it does Trek good. Just check out the subforum.

I enjoyed the five or so LD episodes I watched last year and have had no curiosity about it since.

The second to last episode of Season 2 is probably the best episode of the series, and season finale is probably the second best.