Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"
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Heh ... are ya sure she's ready?
Aw, come on. That was funny.
He interprets General Order 1 the way Kirk would, not the way Picard would. I much prefer the TOS interpretation of the Prime Directive.
I laughed out loud at Pike's comment about the alley.A "shorts" Spock...??
Transwarp beaming...
I haven't seen Henry's other shows, but based on the last half of Picard season 2 that can only be a good thing.
Henry was the showrunner on The Magicians, which was one of my favorite shows of the last decade.
The numbering in the poll confused me for a bit. lol
Kind of dropped off commenting with Picard since there really isn't much to say about the show and I'm just willing to forget it happened, but this episode made up for the last few weeks in between Discovery ending and this show premiering.
I have some nitpicks, particularly the pacing feeling a bit rushed even with the slightly longer run time, but I really enjoyed the episode. There's nothing new here, but it feels like the production crew trying to prove to people that they can write a classic Star Trek episode with a likeable cast, a familiar story about how we can do better, and a group of competent people finding moral solutions to a problem.
As a baseline, that's what Star Trek should be. I hope they build on this and deliver some great episodes in the coming weeks.
Just a random question I have is whether this episode is set after the finale of Discovery S2, since it's not clear how Pike went from being happy captaining the Enterprise to hating it and becoming a morose beard guy.
Kind of dropped off commenting with Picard since there really isn't much to say about the show and I'm just willing to forget it happened, but this episode made up for the last few weeks in between Discovery ending and this show premiering.
I have some nitpicks, particularly the pacing feeling a bit rushed even with the slightly longer run time, but I really enjoyed the episode. There's nothing new here, but it feels like the production crew trying to prove to people that they can write a classic Star Trek episode with a likeable cast, a familiar story about how we can do better, and a group of competent people finding moral solutions to a problem.
As a baseline, that's what Star Trek should be. I hope they build on this and deliver some great episodes in the coming weeks.
Just a random question I have is whether this episode is set after the finale of Discovery S2, since it's not clear how Pike went from being happy captaining the Enterprise to hating it and becoming a morose beard guy.
This has nothing to do with fate, and everything to do with Pike as a person. He could no more run from his duty than he could abandon his crew. His fate, as it were, is a result of who he is as a person. He cannot deny himself.
Yes, it is.
And Pike has always been an introspective person.
And world.
Yes, I know. I meant we didn't get to "see" him as a character. I didn't word that properly.
In a way I hope he manages to avoid his fate somehow, although doing that would definitely change the timeline... but I don't care at this point.
Because they can, and because it's faster and more convenient.
You just made me realise that this episode runs EXACTLY as long as a TOS episode...
Yeah, about 55ish minutes. But for me at least, it didn't really have time to let scenes breathe... like each scene does what it needs to do to explain what's happening and then the next scene happens.
I guess that would mean something happened between Pike being hopeful at the end of Discovery S2, where there was no sign that the "classified mission" had any impact on him and his desire to command the Enterprise despite knowing his fate, and then deciding to nearly abandon his career altogether while the ship is in drydock.
I thought the conversations were nicely paced, myself. (It's 52 minutes, actually, same as TV shows in the 60s, which -- if intentional -- is genius.)
I liked the episode except for the outright almost-sex scene between Spock and T'Pring. I don't know where they're going with this, and even if there's a need to re-explore the T'Pring story they don't have to jump into the undressing within the first few minutes. I think they should save that sort of thing for Orion episodes (we all know they'll show up at some point).
If we must have Spock romance I'd rather see Leila Kalomi although Memory Alpha says that's still 2 seasons away. That episode was able to exude romantic chemistry better without the need for the straight bedroom stuff we got here.
If we must have Spock romance I'd rather see Leila Kalomi although Memory Alpha says that's still 2 seasons away. That episode was able to exude romantic chemistry better without the need for the straight bedroom stuff we got here.
Yeah, as an episode of Star Trek, this was good, but as a mission statement for the series, it was great.
I thought they did a good job in this episode economically conveying the ordeal Pike went through. It would be a lot easier for him to dismiss the prediction if he hadn’t lived it already.
How else would you light it up if not with lights? Or did you mean, the specific way in which they did this?
For myself, my only criticisms are the use of Jan 6. imagery, which is too current and divisive for my tastes, and the fact that I have no clue how these aliens could possibly reverse engineer warp technology based on a distant observation of an event, the meaning of which they couldn't possibly have understood.
And also the communicators shouldn't make that noise when beeping a call. Damn, that's a minor one!
I liked the idea that the transporter can just change your clothes and put equipment on your belt. Makes sense, although it does, like the rest of that tech (and the replicators) have implications that Trek will definitely never address.
You are a genius.
I think they mean one led to the other, but I'd have to watch it again... which I will.
I can definitely imagine Nichelle Nichols saying it.
It's debatable that Nichols would say "cool" like that, but even if that were so, Nichols isn't Uhura. She was the first actress to play the role and also make it iconic. I think one of the issues with new Trek is that it sometimes confuses the actor with the iconic or veteran roles they've played, like Sir Patrick and Picard
or Wesley and his Traveler in the Picard Season 2 finale.
The "problem" predated new Trek to be fair. I can see it in the TNG films, after Generations. Maybe it was before then, but it was in those movies, mainly Nemesis, that I noticed that Stewart's personality seemed to be supplanting Picard's.
This is what I wish the 2009 reboot had been like.
This is what I wish Discovery had been like.
This is Star Trek.
I had been skeptical of Peck's take on Spock during Discovery but he sold me on it here. Just the little touches in how he says things like Nimoy would (pronouncing "record" as reck-ORD instead of reck-erd, for instance).
The humor was spot on. I got a chuckle out of "Take me to your leader" and "That'll never stick."
My one quibble, and maybe I just missed something, but...Pike, Spock and La'an are in the conference room discussing the mission. It seemed like this was where it was decided that they would need to go down to the planet incognito in order to adhere to General Order 1. So Pike suggests they go talk to the Doctor...and it seemed like during the time it took for them to travel from the conference room to sickbay, Chapel somehow had time to develop these genetic modifications for the three of them, including the special version for Spock? How was that possible if Pike and Co. literally just decided they'd need to go down in disguise? I'll likely watch again tonight and maybe I missed something, or a passage of time at some point and this wasn't what really happened.
This is what I wish Discovery had been like.
This is Star Trek.
I had been skeptical of Peck's take on Spock during Discovery but he sold me on it here. Just the little touches in how he says things like Nimoy would (pronouncing "record" as reck-ORD instead of reck-erd, for instance).
The humor was spot on. I got a chuckle out of "Take me to your leader" and "That'll never stick."
My one quibble, and maybe I just missed something, but...Pike, Spock and La'an are in the conference room discussing the mission. It seemed like this was where it was decided that they would need to go down to the planet incognito in order to adhere to General Order 1. So Pike suggests they go talk to the Doctor...and it seemed like during the time it took for them to travel from the conference room to sickbay, Chapel somehow had time to develop these genetic modifications for the three of them, including the special version for Spock? How was that possible if Pike and Co. literally just decided they'd need to go down in disguise? I'll likely watch again tonight and maybe I missed something, or a passage of time at some point and this wasn't what really happened.
Brilliant!
And? The point is that I can picture Nichols saying it AS Uhura.
Maybe you should have specified which series this was a spoiler TO, man.
I had an issue with that too. Pike had seemed to start to get it back together in Such Sweet Sorrow, Part II. But I guess he was just barely holding it in because there was a crucial mission to get through.
From a dramatic perspective, I understand why they start him at his lowest to build him back up. It's what DS9 did with Emissary, which is the other great Star Trek pilot episode.
It's all Star Trek. I mean, I love TOS to pieces and SNW will no doubt scratch that itch somewhat but it's all Trek, man! No need to be exclusionist.
I wasn’t sure about the need to bring in T’Pring, either, but I liked how lively the interactions between her and Spock were. Too often since TOS the Vulcans have been portrayed as kinda dead-eyed and dull. This seemed more believable as a functional society of a secretly passionate people.
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