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Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

No, but there were definitely a lot of shortcuts taken and honestly not a ton of Academy-ing done in Academy.

Professor: "Who can tell me about the Eugenics Wars?

"Anyone? Caleb? Caleb?

"Caleb?"


All we need now is a cameo from Ben Stein ... :whistle:
 
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To me it felt simultaneously rushed, because of them covering a year in 10 episodes, and dragged out, because of the hour-long run time. Tarima and Caleb's romance arc got a whole episode to start it off, so it had an eternity of time dedicated to it, while 17 year old SAM's arc was so rushed it was practically introduced in the same scene it was resolved.

Part of the problem is that it's set in a school and it's hard to come up with really great stories for your science fiction show when the characters are just learning fictional science. Off screen. But I'm sure the writers can come up with more than 10 ideas a year without hitting the bottom of the barrel.
 
and honestly not a ton of Academy-ing done in Academy.
I haven't watched the end but I thought the pacing was above average. And there was enough Academy-ing. Could I use more? Yes. But many standout episodes were based around some kind of academic interaction. Heck, the Our Town episode was built around a class. It was actually more than I expected.

I could do with a little more Paper Chase and a tiny bit less Hogwarts. (I've never seen The Paper Chase.)

I simultaneously love Caleb as a character (to my shock) and I hate his extended pirate mom subplot.
 
I haven't watched the end but I thought the pacing was above average. And there was enough Academy-ing. Could I use more? Yes. But many standout episodes were based around some kind of academic interaction. Heck, the Our Town episode was built around a class. It was actually more than I expected.

"Don't kill the instructor ... Don't kill the instructor ... Don't kill the instructor." :guffaw:
 

Is it absolutely necessary to show every mundane detail?
No, but it's very clear the show suffered from it's 10 episode season length.

2 part opening + 2 part season finale means we basically had 6 episodes to get to know the cast as people instead of character tropes.

2 of those episodes were focused on Sam, 2 and 1/2 of those episodes focused on Caleb, 1 of those focused on Jayden, 1/2 focused on Darem.

The first season of DS9 had 19 episodes, and all 7 members of the main cast had multiple focus episodes to connect you to their characters stories.

The first season of VOY had 15 episodes, and all 9 members of the main cast got focus episodes. (Hell, they literally wrote a holodeck episode just so they could give the Doctor one.)

And like it or not you do need those focus episodes.
 
Is it absolutely necessary to show every mundane detail?
Of course not but sometimes you can get a lot out of the mundane moments, dive into characters' feelings and motivations without the pressure of making it relevant to the adventure at hand. Academy did unfortunately feel like it rushed some things, Darem's development is very uneven and feels like key moments have been skipped over.

Using the framing of classes could have given us some lore deep dives for the time period. Trivia on 32nd century classes, how do tricombadges and programmable matter actually work.

Academy is the first show squeezing nearly a whole year into just 10 episodes and it would have greatly benefitted from more.
 
No, but it's very clear the show suffered from it's 10 episode season length.

2 part opening + 2 part season finale means we basically had 6 episodes to get to know the cast as people instead of character tropes.

2 of those episodes were focused on Sam, 2 and 1/2 of those episodes focused on Caleb, 1 of those focused on Jayden, 1/2 focused on Darem.

The first season of DS9 had 19 episodes, and all 7 members of the main cast had multiple focus episodes to connect you to their characters stories.

The first season of VOY had 15 episodes, and all 9 members of the main cast got focus episodes. (Hell, they literally wrote a holodeck episode just so they could give the Doctor one.)

And like it or not you do need those focus episodes.
There were 8 main cast members of DS9 Season 1. Jake was in the opening credits. He did not get a full focus episode, I don't think.

I'd argue Kes did not get a focus episode, unless I am just not remembering a Kes-heavy plot. I remember she walks out onto the bridge importantly in "Time and Again". Was that about her?
 
Kes would've gotten a focus episode, Elogium, but it got moved to the second season. So I suppose the first season suffered from its 15 episode length.
 
There were 8 main cast members of DS9 Season 1. Jake was in the opening credits. He did not get a full focus episode, I don't think.

I'd argue Kes did not get a focus episode, unless I am just not remembering a Kes-heavy plot. I remember she walks out onto the bridge importantly in "Time and Again". Was that about her?
Jake couldn't get a full focus episode in the first couple of seasons, he was underage, and that meant filming limits.

And Kes had the B story in Eye of the Needle.


Everyone on Voyager who wasn't Seven, Janeway or the Doctor got sidelined from Season 4 onwards.
Mostly just Harry.
 
While Bashir gets a handful of secondary plots in some first season Deep Space Nine episodes (“The Passenger”, “Babel”, “The Storyteller”, “If Wishes Were Horses”), generally to solve a given episode’s medical problem, he doesn’t really get a dedicated “full focus episode” in the first year. And I don’t suppose there were any filming limits regarding Siddig. ;)

Jake on the other hand gets dedicated plots in both “The Storyteller” (competing against Nog in trying to impress a Bajoran girl) and in “Progress” (trying to run a self-sealing stem bolt trading scheme with Nog). So it’s not quite as clear-cut as people remember.

Similarly, season one of Voyager gives Harry Kim the main plot in “Emanations” and an important role in “Prime Factors”.



As for the truncated nature of the first season of Starfleet Academy: While I can absolutely see where people are coming from with this, I can’t say it really bothered me while watching the show. The writers/producers can’t very well change the fact that they’re only going to get 10 episode seasons, and I’m sure they would love to get more episodes to flesh out characters and their relationships. I don’t think they really needed to make it so the season represents the entire school year (which seems to be the reason why some viewers are not able to suspend their disbelief), but then I don’t really felt like we’ve been missing much between episodes. The fact that there were supposed to be weeks/months between “Ko’Zeine” and “The Life of the Starts” and then between that episode and “300th Night” seemed odd to me, because days or a week would have felt a little more plausible, but still I didn't feel I missed anything important from the actual stories they were telling.

The biggest niggle across the entire arc is how the show treated recurring characters. We are introduced to a "bridge crew" very deliberately in Episode 1 we never see again. Recurring minor characters like the Cadet Pickford or Dzolo or Ocam just kind of vanish. Indeed, the number of kids in the classrooms just kept dropping, making the academy seem progressively smaller over time.
  • I agree that in hindsight it’s strange that they made it a point to introduce the bridge crew by name in “Kids These Days” only to then forget about them almost immediately.
  • Pickford I don’t think was ever supposed to be any more than a minor comic relief background character, so while I would have appreciated to see her again, I didn’t really miss her.
  • Dzolo I only missed in the immediate aftermath of “Come, Let’s Away”, but other than that I don't think she’s supposed to be an important character (although, again, I would have liked to see her again).
  • With Ocam I didn’t feel he vanished. He was right there in “The Life of the Stars” where it made sense, but I didn’t really miss him at other times.
  • As for the perception that the number of kids in classrooms kept dropping, I didn’t really see it that way. When they showed actual classes in “Beta Test”, “Vitus Reflex” and “Vox in Excelso” they seemed to be filled with lots of background extras. And as you say in your next point, they didn’t very often show traditional classes after that, so there just weren't any classrooms that could be filled with kids. But outside of classes, the atrium always seemed filled with dozens of extras and the numbers never seemed to noticeably drop, right up until the finale.
The early episodes must have been heavily rewritten and re-filmed later in the season's development. Thok is the obvious aspect; she's a fun, vivid character who outshines everyone else on screen, and she completely vanishes around the midpoint of the season.
I’m sorry, but I don't follow your logic here. Lura Thok appeared less towards the second half of the season (probably because of some scheduling issues with Gina Yashere), and that somehow means “the early episodes must have been heavily rewritten and re-filmed”? They admit that the season finale was heavily rewritten two weeks before shooting for that episode began, but other than that there’s nothing they obviously rewrote.

The first three episodes feel almost like a different show, much more comedic and so much fresher than the usual boilerplate shit that the show devolved into by the end of the season. Something really bizarre's gone on behind the scenes; episode eight and episode one feel so different that I genuinely wonder if Paramount pushed for big changes to the early episodes.
I didn’t get that feeling at all. There’s a certain variety between all episodes this season, but they still all feel like part of one coherent whole. There was certainly nothing so incongruent that would lead me to think there was “something really bizarre [going] on behind the scenes”. If anything, this feels like the most cohesive, most consistent season of any of the modern Treks.
 
Everyone on Voyager who wasn't Seven, Janeway or the Doctor got sidelined from Season 4 onwards.
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I found some graphs showing total screen time if anyone wants some data to look at.

No graph for Starfleet Academy though, sorry.
 
While Bashir gets a handful of secondary plots in some first season Deep Space Nine episodes (“The Passenger”, “Babel”, “The Storyteller”, “If Wishes Were Horses”), generally to solve a given episode’s medical problem, he doesn’t really get a dedicated “full focus episode” in the first year. And I don’t suppose there were any filming limits regarding Siddig. ;)
Bashir had the A story in Past Prologue and The Passenger.

I agree that in hindsight it’s strange that they made it a point to introduce the bridge crew by name in “Kids These Days” only to then forget about them almost immediately.
It wasn't really that strange.

Appears on screen with no lines = background extra pay level, appears on screen with lines = speaking extra pay level, appears on screen with lines as a named character = secondary character pay level.
 
Bashir had the A story in Past Prologue and The Passenger.


It wasn't really that strange.

Appears on screen with no lines = background extra pay level, appears on screen with lines = speaking extra pay level, appears on screen with lines as a named character = secondary character pay level.
Wasn't "Past Prologue" a Kira story? An old friend of hers is fighting the Federation as a second Occupation and her loyaltes are divided.
 
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