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hell with Kurtzman's response? I get his point that Giamatti is a big actor who doesn't "need" to do conventions, but that pop culture cliché doesn't describe any convention guests I've ever seen. Plus, Kurtzman himself also does them, alongside the bigger actor guests. :shrug:
I think Kurtzman was saying of course he could go because lesser known players go. That's my read no, "*sniffs arrogantly* Of course not. That's beneath you."
 
Don't you get it? Kurtzman is ALWAYS putting us down because he has such low regard for the fans and the contribution they have made to the lifestyle he lives.
Humor. It is a difficult concept. Kurtzman wasn't putting anyone down or dissing cons.
I never said Kurtzman was putting down fans. Or conventions.

I was remarking on how his "joke" didn't really reflect the reality that he knows first-hand.
 
"Now the real question becomes, what's the ranking between Original Series, Next Generation, and DS9 for you?"

Giamatti: "Oh, boy. It would be DS9, Original Series, Next Gen. Is that crazy? I’m a huge Deep Space Nine fan."

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Re: Conventions.

Giamatti "I said to Alex Kurtzman, “Can I go to those now?” And he said, “Dude, the guys who play Security Officer 12 in Episode 9 of Season 14 of whatever, they go to those things.”

The hell with Kurtzman's response? I get his point that Giamatti is a big actor who doesn't "need" to do conventions, but that pop culture cliché doesn't describe any convention guests I've ever seen. Plus, Kurtzman himself also does them, alongside the bigger actor guests. :shrug:


Kurtzman is actually complementing Trek. He is saying that when your part of Trek it is so special that even someone with a small role will live on forever in the fans minds. It's true. How many shows out their do you think are so popular that we would elevate Brian Bophy to the status of a GOD.
 
I need to watch "Billions." People say it's good. Though I think it's got a reputation of being second rate in comparison to "Succession" back when they were both on at the same time.
 
I never said Kurtzman was putting down fans. Or conventions.

I was remarking on how his "joke" didn't really reflect the reality that he knows first-hand.

I have absolutely seen folks who played minor side roles or guest spots on a bunch of series show up at conventions to sell autographs. They're never the headliners and I'm fairly certain some cons won't let them set up at all, but it is definitely a thing that happens. Or at least it did in the past, as I haven't been to a Trek con since the 90s.
 
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I have absolutely seen folks who played minor side roles or guest spots on a bunch of series show up at conventions to sell autographs. They're never the headliners and I'm fairly certain some cons won't let them set up at all, but it is definitely a thing that happens. Or at least it did in the past, as I haven't been to a Trek con since the 90s.
So one-off actors do go to cons?
 
So one-off actors do go to cons?

More than that. Only is Trek can folks like Michael and Denise Okuda become beloved figures to the fandom. I bet Trek fans know more about many of the behind the scenes people who made Trek great than fans of many other shows do about those shows.
 
In a way, you can use the MCU as an analogue, insofar as there were some movies which still did well despite notable flaws/mixed critical/fan response (MoM, Quantumania, Love and Thunder) until it got to the point where people wouldn't show up in the theaters for genuinely good movies like Thunderbolts.

Turning to Trek in particular, remember that the most recent new project in Trek was the Section 31 TV movie. It's something that largely happened because Kurtzman had been pushing for it since Discovery's second season wrapped up, and was so into the idea he refused to let it die even after the writers who pitched the original series idea quit. And it was awful.

This is another project that exists largely because Kurtzman thought it was a good idea, and wanted to find a way to launch it.

It's kinda sad, but with these kind of big franchises, it's just subtractive, not additive over time, unless you bring something pretty unique to the table. Each new project alienates some folks, which results in an even smaller audience for what comes next.
What delayed/changed Section 31 was NOT that it was considered a 'bad idea' - more that after Michelle Yeoh won an Acadamy Award her schedule/availability/cost changed so she wasn't available to commit to a 10 episode series (the 1st season of scripts had been broken a 5 full scripts written).

The Section 31 streaming film went ahead because Michelle Yeoh really wanted to do it and Kurtzman and Paramount saw a big PR qoup in saying an Academy Award winning actress was Headlining a Star Trek film.

There were plenty of good reasons to do this from a marketing and PR perspective and Paramount didn't want to pass up using a Academy Award winning actress who really wanted to do it.
 
I don't fault Paramount for making SECTION 31 because it was exactly the right thing to do: a recent Oscar winner wants to do STAR TREK? Of course, you do what you can to make it happen.

I DO fault them for agreeing to have such an atrocious script be made for Yeoh.

I never thought I would say a STAR TREK movie was worse than INTO DARKNESS, but they managed to do it with this one.
 
The difference between the two was that Discovery's stuff often just didn't make sense within the greater context of the Star Trek universe so it came off as Soapboxing.
Sorry. I don't think that assement is accurate.

ST: D was no less or more 'soapboxy' then any other Trek incarnation. As for 'making sense in the context of Star Trek..." spare me because Berman era Trek MORE OFTEN THAN NOT had truly ridiculous technobabble solutions or situations that made no sense when compared to TOS.

ST: D was better than Berman Trek at least for S1 and S2 and no worse than Berman Trek in this regard in S3 - S5.
 
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