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Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

And as I always say, if you don't remember it then it doesn't count.
...Officer.

;)


Season two of Picard is the most singular thing ever produced. Let's take a moment to remember that Evil Brent Spiner ran over android Picard with an electric car (while Seven of Nine was trying to intercept an ICE truck) which caused Picard to enter a coma in which he remembered how his mother was locked in the attic like Bertha from Jane Eyre. Then he got some Borg stuck in the wall of his childhood home and just never noticed them.

I might have the exact chain of events wrong there but that's only because every single one of them in isolation is too powerful for me to comprehend.

I laughed just writing that out. Say what you will about it but it's an extraordinary piece of television, most of the streaming era Trek has just inspired boredom for me but Picard season two inspires absolute awe, even if for all the wrong reasons. There is simply nothing like it.
You just don't get it.

They had to write a season of garbage. They had to...because Covid or whatever.
 
And as I always say, if you don't remember it then it doesn't count.
...Officer.

;)



You just don't get it.

They had to write a season of garbage. They had to...because Covid or whatever.
Covid is not an excuse for bad writing.

FOUNDATION season 2 was written and filmed right in the middle of covid. So was FOR ALL MANKIND season 3. Both are excellent shows and those were excellent seasons. Covid didn't stop them from being great.

Bad writing is simply bad writing.
 
Wow. Looks like Star Trek to me. Who would have guessed?
That's why they selected that particular clip as the one they wanted to show us. The rest of the episode is about the kids filming themselves during the attack for subspace content they can post for likes :)
 
Wow. Looks like Star Trek to me. Who would have guessed?
That's why they selected that particular clip as the one they wanted to show us. The rest of the episode is about the kids filming themselves during the attack for subspace content they can post for likes :)
 
Like another fan said, "I know when something upsets or angers me and is a waste of my time, and as dumb as Season 3 was it did NOT anger me."
 
Picard s3 was okay in my book. Fanwank extraordinaire to be sure and a plot that was all over the map, but I enjoyed seeing the cast back together in something that served them better than Nemesis.

As for Academy... well I suppose it's there.
 
The thing I don't get about season three - other than literally all of it - is that Worf is a "pacifist" and his intro scene shows him killing more people than he did in his entire seven-year run in TNG, in under ten seconds, in an extremely brutal way.

I'm not even joking around, I actually don't get what they were going for. It's like Matalas had his first ever vaguely interesting idea (Worf, already a relatively peaceful/restrained man who has struggled with his urges for years, swears off violence entirely) but it clashed with his indestructible desire to make absolutely everything a naff "badass" edgy-late-90s comic book sequence, and the latter won out at a ratio of 100:1.
 
Yeah, it was dumb. A lot of stuff in Season 3 made you groan. But at least it wasn't Season 2 and Worf didn't eat car batteries. :lol:
 
I just remembered that Pacifist Worf reveals that he has a hidden gun (safety, always off) in the handle of his bat'leth, which he and Riker deploy while cutting down the Borg hordes. Then, ten minutes later, Troi does a sick burnout with Geordi's homemade full-scale Lego Enterprise-D inside the Borg Death Star.

I absolutely hated Picard S3 when it was on, but writing out sentences like that makes me feel like it's actually a season two-tier work of art.
 
Worf was hardly described as a "pacifist", merely that he preferred pacifism. Which is not the same thing. More along the lines of he'd rather not kill you if he doesn't have to, but if you cross a line you're done. Very similar, in fact, to Chris Claremont's description of Wolverine's use of lethal force -- basically, if you come at Wolverine with fists, he will respond to you with fists, but if you pull out a gun or a knife or threaten someone that he cares about or is under his protection, then you're a legitimate target. Which fits very well in the character arc of the guy who refused to kill Toral.

I do have issues with season 3 but Worf's portrayal, at least in that regard, didn't bother me at all. Having him still pining for Deanna after all these years was a little cringy, I'll admit.
 
He was presented as having experienced a philosophical shift toward non-violence, but the result on-screen was that he was far more violent than he was in TNG.

I think what makes it funny though is that in-universe there's not really any reason for him to behead like ten people at once or w/e, he lives in a world with wide-beam stunguns and is an accomplished martial artist; subduing the guards would have been trivial. As a member of Starfleet Security, you'd actually have to go out of your way to use lethal violence, so plentiful and easily-accessible are the means to avoid it.

So the reason he gores a group of people to death is because Matalas thinks it'd be really cool to watch a bunch of people's heads fly off with blood shooting out everywhere, and loves the trope where a character gets a "cool" intro in which they kill a bunch of unnamed goons, but he's simultaneously impressed himself with his "Worf likes pacifism" idea, so the two ideas collide in a way where the entire theme is undermined before it's even introduced because Matalas' worst instincts win out every time.

It's like a microcosm of the show as a whole that's so perfect it's hilarious (a similar one: Amanda Plummer is introduced as someone traumatised by her treatment at the hands of S31, but her character's arc ends with her being brutally fired into space and killed so that MERGED DATA can have a "badass" one liner while killing her. All the potential plot is quite literally jetissoned from the show in the name of a fleeting "cool" moment of violence).
 
Salvage it? Season three is utter fanwank nonsense, and undercuts some of the best parts of the previous seasons.

Picard and Beverley having a secret son (who has secret Borg DNA inherited from Picard's secret Borg DNA), a secret Data with all of his memories, the Enterprise D being revived and saving the day, etc, are far more ridiculous than the scene you're misinterpreting.

I never said it doesnt have problems. Like when picard and Beverley were ready to pretty much murder a channeling. But at least the show looked like trek. They brought the lcars back and a starship for the whole season. We also got a proper ending for data instead of the god awful 2nd death we got in Picard season one. Creepiest data scene ever. A badly made cgi aged reversed spiner slowly getting strangely cgi old than disappearing. Yeah real besutiful scene. What's wrong with the D being back? Sounds like you might not be a fan of tng? You really enjoyed seasons one and two?

Picard abd Beverley having a kid as old looking as jack was is a stretch. He should only have been around 20 to 21 but looked all of 35. Bad casting which made it seem ridiculous.
Who gives af about one small, 38 year-old scene?

I do. Its a memorable scene. First scene in tng that we got a look at one of Picard
 
But at least the show looked like trek.
It's almost like looks are not as important as character consistency for some fans in Star Trek.
He was presented as having experienced a philosophical shift toward non-violence, but the result on-screen was that he was far more violent than he was in TNG.

I think what makes it funny though is that in-universe there's not really any reason for him to behead like ten people at once or w/e, he lives in a world with wide-beam stunguns and is an accomplished martial artist; subduing the guards would have been trivial. As a member of Starfleet Security, you'd actually have to go out of your way to use lethal violence, so plentiful and easily-accessible are the means to avoid it.

So the reason he gores a group of people to death is because Matalas thinks it'd be really cool to watch a bunch of people's heads fly off with blood shooting out everywhere, and loves the trope where a character gets a "cool" intro in which they kill a bunch of unnamed goons, but he's simultaneously impressed himself with his "Worf likes pacifism" idea, so the two ideas collide in a way where the entire theme is undermined before it's even introduced because Matalas' worst instincts win out every time.

It's like a microcosm of the show as a whole that's so perfect it's hilarious (a similar one: Amanda Plummer is introduced as someone traumatised by her treatment at the hands of S31, but her character's arc ends with her being brutally fired into space and killed so that MERGED DATA can have a "badass" one liner while killing her. All the potential plot is quite literally jetissoned from the show in the name of a fleeting "cool" moment of violence).
This is why Season 3 struggles so much for me. I didn't mind Worf, and though him and Raffi's side quest was actually quite enjoyable in the investigative aspect. But, the look of cool consistent wins out.

"Wouldn't it be cool if Worf kicked all the asses?"
"Wouldn't it be cool if Data gave a hilarious one liner?"
"Wouldn't it be hilarious if a captain told Riker and Picard 'no'?"
"Wouldn't it be cool if the D actuated like the Millennium Falcon flying through the Death Star in Return of the Jedi?"

All of it ignores what had previously been established even in the last season of it's own show. Reminds me a bit of Firefly. Early on, Wash is shown to be an unflappable pilot but later on in the season the writers opted to "go for the funny" with him reacting to being attacked.
 
More coal? No thanks.
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It's almost like looks are not as important as character consistency for some fans in Star Trek.

This is why Season 3 struggles so much for me. I didn't mind Worf, and though him and Raffi's side quest was actually quite enjoyable in the investigative aspect. But, the look of cool consistent wins out.

"Wouldn't it be cool if Worf kicked all the asses?"
"Wouldn't it be cool if Data gave a hilarious one liner?"
"Wouldn't it be hilarious if a captain told Riker and Picard 'no'?"
"Wouldn't it be cool if the D actuated like the Millennium Falcon flying through the Death Star in Return of the Jedi?"

All of it ignores what had previously been established even in the last season of it's own show. Reminds me a bit of Firefly. Early on, Wash is shown to be an unflappable pilot but later on in the season the writers opted to "go for the funny" with him reacting to being attacked.

All that bothers you yet nothing that snw does from the legacy characters not acting like themselves and several retcons and to the Enterprise being totally different and much larger and advanced than even the tos movie versions doesn't bother you. Come on.
 
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