Come on what? I've been explicit in my opinion that TOS stands apart and doesn't connect to SNW or TMP as characters go.
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Stands apart? Really? So it shouldnt be part of canon?
Incorrect use of the term canon.
Youre skirting the issue. Is tos a part of the story or not?
As presented as 100% historically accurate? No, it is not a part of TMP and TNG going forward continuity as it relates to presentation of characters or aspects of technology in my opinion.
Well tng acknowledged it,ds9 acknowledged it, enterprise acknowledged it. Snw can just as easily be an alternate reality now especially since the khan timeline was changed. I guessed you were one of the ones that feels tos needs to be dismissed. So do you want a year one show with kirk and crew?
No.
I feel like TOS is too unique to fit very well with future productions. I think it works far better as it's own thing. It's my first dnf preferred Trek and would easily give up all the rest to keep TOS.
I'd watch it but no I don't want it.
Absolutely.
What allows TOS to be both it's own thing yet also still connected with the Berman era was the big 70 year time gap between it and season 1 of TNG. All the changes that happen can sort of be head canon explained as have happened during what we now call the lost era of Trek. Plus the TOS movies also allowed us more contemporary versions of the characters so when we think of TOS we also think of the TOS movies.
You have said this in other threads. What was wrong with the characters depiction in TOS-TMP?
Because were I'm standing SNW does not get the TOS characters right at all. They should not have even had any of them in there except Spock. At least they would have only screwed him up..
As for technology. In Star Trek it's all over the place. From TOS-VOY it made decent sense. Not perfect but believable. Even adding Enterprise in there. But then they had to adopt the window screens from the Kelvinverse. So now we have no window screens in ENT to VOY but for some reason we have them in SNW and DISCO and Picard but yet we see a regular screen on the D still .....so the shows that are really do not fit in are SNW and DISCO. That is just one example. Don't even get me started on the exterior maintenance robots that they only had during SNW DISCO and Picard season 3....
.....so the odd kids in all this is mostly SNW and DISCO.The truth of the matter is. Kurtzman wanted his shows to be both Kelvin and Prime universe. (Mostly kelvin) Hate to say it but it didn't work well and just threw more wrenches in Star Trek. It's just a big mish mash...
And as always when we talk about this stuff. I have enjoyed many episodes of SNW and DISCO. But I definitely keep them separated in my mind from the Roddenberry and Berman eras.
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*sigh* None, I repeat - none - of the Star Trek shows take place in an "alternate reality". Star Trek has clearly and repeatedly shown that altered timelines and alternate timelines are completely different phenomena. It's been altered, yes. Like City on the Edge of Forever or Past Tense. Not "alternate", like the Mirror universe or the Kelvin universe. Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow pretty clearly established this, although the implication was there all the way back in TOS which gave us both City on the Edge of Forever and Mirror Mirror.
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The mirror universe is a parallel universe. The Kelvin universe is an Alternate universe branching off the prime, created with the help of Prime Spock and his red matter. That's the way that I always took it. A parallel universe is a natural separate universe.
I can't believe we're at the end of 2025 and we've still got people spouting these bizarre conspiracy theories about Kurtzman and streaming-era Trek being in an alternate universe.
I can.
I've said it before, but there are so many bits of schmaltzy fanwank in the back half of season 3 that I would be flat-out embarrassed to write in my fanfic. It's like watching a 12-year-old playing with their toy box.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
When did he say this "truth"?
Never.
Bryan fuller said it while STDs first season was being mapped out.. He said he was creating the show as it could be taken as a Kelvin or prime universe from fans if they wanted. Though it was officially a prime timeline show he wanted to make it fit with the designs of the Kelvin universe as well. Hence the window viewscreens etc. He really cared little for the original source material.
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