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I didn't want to see the Borg again, either. But season 3 was still far and away the best arc based season of the Kurtzman Era.
The "Rutherford's implanted memories/Admiral Buenamigo/Texas-class" arc from LD S3 says otherwise. The Picard S1 arc had far more depth and growth, despite some believing that it (like PIC S3) dropped the ball at the end.
 
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The "Rutherford's implanted memories/Admiral Buenamigo/Texas-class" arc from LD S4 says otherwise. The Picard S1 arc had far more depth and growth, despite some believing that it (like PIC S3) dropped the ball at the end.
I forgot to add 'live action' to my point about best arc based season. (Which I did say a few posts before the one you quoted.)

LOWER DECKS is the best series of the current era, no question. And season 4 of that show is its best.
 
It had a lot of great character moments. The scene between Picard and Ro gave me closure I didn't even know I needed. But then they just killed her off, which brings up a whole other complaint about this show and legacy characters.

A big problem was that the story wasn't being driven by the characters, the characters were being driven by the story -- the above mentioned dot connecting and coloring by numbers. The story they contrived to explain Jack's existence is a perfect example. Crusher had to act totally out of character to have kept Picard in the dark for as long as she did. In the main story itself, Crusher was Crusher, but the backstory that they created was totally story driven and not character driven. And there just wasn't enough story there to justify it.

In the end, the chemistry that these characters and actors have between them is what saved Picard season 3. Even some truly bad episodes of TNG are almost redeemed simply through the poker scenes.

I think the plot held up fine until maybe the very end. Bringing back the Borg was not needed.
 
The whole problem with them saying they chose the 32nd century to "mirror the uncertainty of today" is we know on the show everything's going to turn out alright, since this series obviously takes place before the epilogue scene in Disco's finale based on the ages of Tilly, Reno and Admiral Vance in the trailers. And as we see in the epilogue, the Federation and Starfleet are thriving as they always have.
Remember how early TNG was paradise and bliss and then later they retconned it so the Cardassian Wars were going on during it?
 
Yeah, as bad as some of the Berman Era humor could be, Matalas and the showrunners of streaming Trek should probably stop trying to make the jokes in the new live-action shows "edgy." LD gets away with stuff because it's already tongue-in-cheek or outright surreal.
 
As often as you guys are bringing it up I really want to do a complete rewatch of Picard at some point, because I’m wondering if my opinion of it has changed now that a few years have passed. In retrospect I think I appreciate much more what they were trying to do in the first two seasons, especially after seeing them lean so heavily into 90s era fanwank in season three. I appreciate the effort and love that went into getting them back on the Enterprise-D bridge, but almost nothing else worked for me that season. None of the characters ring true, and the attempts to do something with bits and pieces of Deep Space Nine lore were IMHO rather embarrassing.

Watching season three had that effect on me of retroactively reassessing seasons one and two, where we were getting all those new characters, some — heck, most — of which I really liked. And even with season two, which had some utterly baffling plot developments and ill-conceived character arcs, I now think the whole portion of the show taking place in Earth’s past was surprisingly charming. Again, mostly because I really liked the characters. I think they massively dropped the ball on Laris, but at the same time they absolutely did right on having Rios decide to stay in the past.
 
I feel like you missed the point that the TNG crew were not the exact same people they were 20 years ago.

Beverly's out of character nonsense starts immediately after Nemesis. Riker and Picard are wildly out of character even compared to the previous seasons of Picard itself. Data, too.

I can actually kind of buy Worf having become this completely different person. But that still begs the question if 'great fanservice' or 'doing justice to the tng characters with a much better swansong' is the point of the season as folks keep saying then what the hell is the point of making him feel like a completely different person thanks to 20 years of nameless adventures that we learn nothing about because it doesn't matter to the story? Him being a changed man doesn't even at all affect the story (or its themes) moving forward.

If 'great fanservice' was the point then he should've just been the same Worf everyone remembers.
 
I enjoyed Season 3 and there are porn movies with more coherent storylines than it has.

Hope the plot didn't get in way of the porn. "Where is the boobs! All I am getting here is a nuanced character story about humanity's desire to be loved and embraced while facing down the traumatic impact of social injustice!"
 
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