Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread
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I also thought that Thok's Hulk like strength was silly, neither Klingons or JH have that.
Braka same thing. To a lesser degree.
I do like the episodic format and the non-galaxy or universe altering level stakes.
Braka same thing. To a lesser degree.
I do like the episodic format and the non-galaxy or universe altering level stakes.
Yeah I sort of just handwaved the destruction of the ship as "well, it's a special effects spectacle for the first episode", but it actually was a crap conclusion to the story and completely the wrong kind of moral angle to put in the opener.
Then again, plotting is still an area where Kurtzman Trek really suffers; the character stuff worked well for me in the first episode but the plot was still very vaguely structured and just sort of fizzled, as they often do.
It's not like strength is an inherently quality. Humans can train to be strong too.
I thought Klingons tossing humans around like ragdolls was normal? (At least since TNG)
They became a bit of a joke when dinky Bajorans were routinely tossing them over their shoulders during the Klingon War stuff in DS9 (same for the Jem'Hadar, who can go against Sisko in a fistfight 5-on-1 and still lose).
The intent in TNG was probably for them to have super-strength but of course that's undermined a little by Worf eating absolute shit every 14 seconds. I can believe a hybrid has quadruple-strength, though, or that Thok is just a bodybuilder anyway.
The intent in TNG was probably for them to have super-strength but of course that's undermined a little by Worf eating absolute shit every 14 seconds. I can believe a hybrid has quadruple-strength, though, or that Thok is just a bodybuilder anyway.
Lying on a deathed and flicking someone 20 feet into a wall? No.
You are grasping at straws. It was stupid.
On the brighter side,
1) Hunter is fantastic
2) The actors playing Mir, SAM, Genesis, and Tarima were all pretty darn good, or better.
3) Tig is still funny.
4) We have an episodic format and non-galaxy/ending stakes.
5) I think the best is yet to come. Tatiana is barely present. There has to be some SAM/Doctor backstory.
Hopefully the language and ethics get cleaned up.
1) Hunter is fantastic
2) The actors playing Mir, SAM, Genesis, and Tarima were all pretty darn good, or better.
3) Tig is still funny.
4) We have an episodic format and non-galaxy/ending stakes.
5) I think the best is yet to come. Tatiana is barely present. There has to be some SAM/Doctor backstory.
Hopefully the language and ethics get cleaned up.
Ok. I'm not grasping at anything. I didn't find it stupid.
IDIC I guess.
Exactly.
You may have caught the scent.........
We've seen Starfleet Captains destroy enemy vessels with extreme prejudice before, so this is nothing new to Star Trek.
The fact there's precedent for it doesn't make it less tonally jarring; other examples I can think of are them whooping it up after blowing up a (fake) Romulan ship in "Where Silence Has Lease" and Janeway smugly annihilating the Malon vessel in "Night", and I'd level the same "this is disappointing and feels out of step with the show as a whole" criticism at both.
Personally, I don't think it is tonally jarring to take out an enemy starship that just attacked a ship full of cadets. The Athena was heavily damaged, Starfleet was still too far away and the capabilities of the Venari Ral vessel were unknown. Taking out the weapons and engines may not have been enough. Ake did what she had to do to protect the ship and the cadets.
In an ideal world, it would be nice if Starfleet could talk their way out of every situation or stop a conflict without resorting to lethal means. But the reality is that quite often talking doesn't work and you have to punch the bully hard enough they leave you alone.
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The actions make sense in universe, you just have to wonder what the narrative point of having the pilot episode end that way is, especially since the show seems to be leaning very heavily on the "this is an era of hopeful reconstruction, we should trust Starfleet again" theme. Compare it with SNW's first episode, which laid out its mission statement very clearly by having Pike shun the Prime Directive and instead make an appeal to compassion and unity.
I don't wanna over-commit to the point because, again, I just waved it off as an excuse to have a big action setpiece to hook people in for the first episode and it didn't ruin the episode for me, but I think it's a fair mark for some criticism.
The biggest joke was TNG S3 Sins of the Father.
Worf's brother Kurn is hospitalized and nearly killed by a Klingon assasin ambush.
Picard experiences a similar ambush but quickly and easily dispatches the first one without breaking a sweat; and as he turns to engage with the 2nd one, that Klingon dies to a knife in the back from a 100 year old Klingon woman.
The Venari Ral vessel had no shields, so I really don't think it's capabilities were very high.
So did many of the ships in DS9 apparently.
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