Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread
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Got to admit it looked much cooler in those older movies than modern day CGI fire. It's actually kind of amazing to me that people somehow figured out how to do that back in the day. I mean someone had to be the first person to test out this new idea.. What in the world could he have been thinking when he agreed to do it.
I had the same thought. Sure it's sets were colorful, but the stories could be very dark.
TOS was never the campy and family-friendly free-for-all that some like to pretend it was.
They did that with the wall flamethrowers in Discovery.
It looked stupid and violated several safe filming laws.
I do not have any desire for flames in my Star Trek.
I always liked how on TNG when they would use the steam smoke when it seemed like the warp core was going to explode. Like in "Yesterday's Entperirse" and "Violations." Shame they didn't find excuses to bring down the isolation door more often. Always felt that was a neat part of the set.
Citation required.
Breaking safe filming laws? Yeah, you understand that first, a practical effect would require a safety meeting and tons of safety protocols to be followed, and second, if they didn’t do that and someone was tragically hurt, they’d open themselves up to a lawsuit. The crew would need to protect themselves, the cast and the studio against potential liability. If there were an issue, it would have been stopped. The idea that they would not take steps to protect themselves is asinine.
I don't know how those stunt performers ever did those stunts. Especially when it comes to protecting ones face. Did they were some kind fire retardant masks?
All I can tell you is the man doing the stunt for Joe Don Baker in this movie deserved every stuntperson paycheck in the world for this drop and roll.
I do think there's an argument that live action Trek in the modern era has been a bit too narrowly focused in terms of tone. DIS, PIC, SNW, and now perhaps SFA all are in part rooted in effects-laden action adventure. While it's nice that such effects are possible, I do think it's been to the detriment of the "space drama" side of Trek at times.
I don't come to Trek for pew-pew. I can get pew-pew anywhere. That said, I don't mind it, I just think that everything since ST09 has to a large extent treated Trek as mostly an action franchise, which I think is quite wrong.
I don't come to Trek for pew-pew. I can get pew-pew anywhere. That said, I don't mind it, I just think that everything since ST09 has to a large extent treated Trek as mostly an action franchise, which I think is quite wrong.
Agreed. More fluff, less substance seems to be the trend for the live action.
Ironic that the animated ones (LOWER DECKS, PRODIGY) are the ones that do better in being more thought provoking.
The MCU has its own issues, of course, but I think it's worth noting that in the TV series, they were more than willing to experiment with lower-action formats. She-Hulk is the biggest example, and it looks like WonderMan will be another one. But even some of the core shows, like WandaVision, Loki, Ms. Marvel, etc. were confident enough to let entire episodes go by without a big action set piece. Not to mention shows like Hawkeye, or Agatha All Along, which were relatively light on VFX.
I'm not a fan of "blame Kurtzman" at all, but every time he writes or directs a modern episode of Trek, it seems to have lots of "pew-pew." He really seems like the guy in the room pushing this.
Damn!!
Have you ever watched "The Towering Inferno"?
That's Steve F*ckin' McQueen right there front and center pointing that firehose at those flames.
Or how about "The Poseidon Adventure"?
Look at some of the stunts Gene Hackman had to perform.
As long as it's done safely and in a controlled environment, real flames on a soundstage would look more realistic than CGI.
Rik Mayall was the greatest of all time.. Didn't just get his cock set on fire for the joke, but did a stunt fall down the stairs and through a door while on fire.
I don't watch the MCU shows, so I have no basis for comparison.
But in STAR TREK, there are plenty of low action or low stakes episodes in the Berman era that are not only as good as the 'best' of the current era, to borrow your term, 'pew-pews', but are actually far superior because it focuses on what matters most... the characters.
Some examples:
"The Offspring"
"Family"
"The Inner Light"
"DUET"
"EXPLORERS"
"THE VISITOR"
"HARD TIME"
"IT'S ONLY A PAPER MOON"
"SHUTTLEPOD ONE"
"COGENITOR"
I think Kurtzman has done some good, and I don't think he should be hated like some do. (Or how Berman and others have in the past, and some still do.) But one issue I do have with the current era is I miss those quiet, full on character episodes.
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