Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[Turtletrekker]

The turbo lifts in Discovery are ridiculous, but they're something that could have been easily dismissed as utterly irrelevant if they hadn't become a plot device in the season 3 finale. They still can be with that one exception.

 

[Campe]

Also. There was so much crying and emotions. Burnham started out Vulcan like in the first season than out of nowhere became the biggest emotional person out of everyone. They never even explained that. She just suddenly transformed into a emotional crying person. Maybe everyone else's crying affected her. Lol

So just to summarize your rationale here for why you think Disco sucks:

Windows
Crying

Look, Disco has its flaws. It’s far from my favorite Star Trek, but man, get into some actual reasons behind it as opposed to the skin deep examination here.

 

[Turtletrekker]

So just to summarize your rationale here for why you think Disco sucks:

Windows
Crying

Don't forget turbolifts.

 

[Set Harth]

Windows, crying, turbolifts? That's practically the definition of Star Trek!

 

[Frostscape One]

I'm not sure how a laughably silly special effect that would've been mostly cooked up by storyboard artists and cgi animators working in conjunction with the director and showrunners is at all the fault of of the people in the writing room.

Writing that scene to be taking place in that location at all. That entire turbolift sequence wouldn't have been done like that had it not been written to take place there in the first place.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

And the "crying" thing is especially ridiculous. I'm re-watching the show again right now, and I'm just not seeing it. I wish I had thought to keep a running count of how many time Burnham cries, but I can assure you that it is something that it is immensely exaggerated by certain factions. The people complaining about the crying are the ones crying far more than Burnham ever did.

I really wish you had kept a running tally. I know @Richard S. Claus had noted on a rewatch. But, yes, the rumors of Burnham excessive crying have been greatly exaggerated.

 

[TRON JA307020]

So just to summarize your rationale here for why you think Disco sucks:

Windows
Crying

Look, Disco has its flaws. It’s far from my favorite Star Trek, but man, get into some actual reasons behind it as opposed to the skin deep examination here.

You forgot the bad writing of the Burnham character. Starts out a Vulcan like person using cold logic than it dissappears with no explanation.

The turbo lifts in Discovery are ridiculous, but they're something that could have been easily dismissed as utterly irrelevant if they hadn't become a plot device in the season 3 finale. They still can be with that one exception.

Nope. Its not irrelevant. According to the people that loved the show its all Canon. The fun house turbolifts are what they are now. It absolutely doesn't fit with what we know of turblifts but its there now.

 

[Campe]

You forgot the bad writing of the Burnham character. Starts out a Vulcan like person using cold logic than it dissappears with no explanation.

The flashbacks to the Vulcan-esque Burnham are seven years before the bulk of The Vulcan Hello/Battle of the Binary Stars. Burnham was human. She spent seven years with humans on the Shenzhou. Her human side came out. We just weren’t privy to the journey. An oversight? Probably. But not one that can’t be easily explained away. Next?

 

[TRON JA307020]

The flashbacks to the Vulcan-esque Burnham are seven years before the bulk of The Vulcan Hello/Battle of the Binary Stars. Burnham was human. She spent seven years with humans on the Shenzhou. Her human side came out. We just weren’t privy to the journey. An oversight? Probably. But not one that can’t be easily explained away. Next?

She used logic to make the decision to mutiny. That episode she was very cold and emotionless and logical. So the seven years she was on the Shenzou seemed to make very little impression on her .

 

[Campe]

She used logic to make the decision to mutiny. That episode she was very cold and emotionless and logical. So the seven years she was on the Shenzou seemed to make very little impression on her .

True, she did use logic then and her use of logic being a cornerstone of her decision making was something that continued on for the first two, maybe three seasons. But there was definitely emotion in her choices in those episodes as well. She did it to save Georgiou. She said as much. She cried when Georgiou died. It wasn’t like she was heartless. That’s a mischaracterization.

 

[Fateor]

That's due to the massive reworking of the season's story arc they had to do after showrunners Berg and Harberts were fired following production of episode 205. When you redo an entire season like that, it's almost inevitable you can't paper over every crack.

Forgetting about a base part of the season arc isn't a crack, it's just bad writing.

1) The ban was likely enacted after measures were taken to ensure time travel was made difficult. Nothing nonsensical about that. You're just not thinking fourth-dimensionally.

General reminder that you can build a temporal transporter out of scraps.

There is no way to "make it difficult".

2) The Burn is still stupid, but the scale of the event is not one of the reasons why.

Actually the scale was too big for people to gronk, which lead to viewers disassociating from what was probably the largest mass murder in the history of the universe

3) The writers didn't ignore the alternate methods of warp drive, even mentioning the Vulcans had been working on an alternate, but it failed due to political reasons. Perhaps try paying attention to the show.

They had commonly known and available alternate methods of warp travel in the 21st-24th century's.

Those are what I am talking about, not new FTL systems entirely.

 

[Richard S. Claus]

I really wish you had kept a running tally. I know @Richard S. Claus had noted on a rewatch. But, yes, the rumors of Burnham excessive crying have been greatly exaggerated.

I did keep a tally, but then my rewatch dropped off.

To say that the frequency of crying is overstated would be an understatement in the extreme.

 

[Jason X-Mas]

People said the Next Generation wouldn't work because Kirk Spock and McCoy were part of Star Trek's identity.

People said Deep Space Nine wouldn't work because having a Starship go from planet to planet every week was part of Star Trek's identity.

People said Voyager wouldn't work because the Federation was part of Star Trek's identity.

That's true but people also said Discovery wouldn't work because they fired Bryan Fuller and they turned out to be correct.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

You forgot the bad writing of the Burnham character. Starts out a Vulcan like person using cold logic than it dissappears with no explanation.

Nope. Explanation is she was a traumatized child who was taught unhealthy coping through Vulcan repression that resulted in unhealthy reaction to a trauma trigger.

Psychology 101.

Nope. Its not irrelevant. According to the people that loved the show its all Canon. The fun house turbolifts are what they are now. It absolutely doesn't fit with what we know of turblifts but its there now.

Neither does Star Trek V. When do we excise it from canon?

I did keep a tally, but then my rewatch dropped off.

To say that the frequency of crying is overstated would be an understatement in the extreme.

Thank you.

True, she did use logic then and her use of logic being a cornerstone of her decision making was something that continued on for the first two, maybe three seasons. But there was definitely emotion in her choices in those episodes as well. She did it to save Georgiou. She said as much. She cried when Georgiou died. It wasn’t like she was heartless. That’s a mischaracterization.

Exactly.

 

[Set Harth]

Neither does Star Trek V. When do we excise it from canon?

Tuesday.

 

[Turtletrekker]

We can use these last few pages as a preview as to the kind of straws that these posters will grasp at to trash Starfleet Academy.

 

[Noname On A Naughty List]

Yeah some tropes really need to be discontinued and this is the biggest one.

They tried in early TNG. Go rewatch TNG S1 The Last Outpost. And when the Ferengi ship Fires at the Enterprise 1701-D, the shot hits and The Bridge does nothing; no rocking no rolling, no crew reaction whatsoever beyond a blanket the brightness of the energy bolts hitting the shield.

They did it but afterwards felt it really sucked the air out of the room and provided no drama; so yeah after that, they went back to sparking panels, the bridge rocking and flying crew members whenever a shot that was supposed to be dangerous to the ship and crew hit it.

 

[Jason X-Mas]

I tired of sparks from exploding consoles. I want to see more smoke being pumped in to let people know something is on fire.