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Spoilers Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Grading & Discussion

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Yup. "50 Shades of Ren". :rommie:

I have read that book. I also have a friend demanding we see the final movie tomorrow, to which I will probably cave. Because I enjoy having stupid and unnecessary things like ‘a social life.’

So trust me when I say that I wish Fifty Shades ended that way!
 
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I finally went to the theater(for the first time in many moons) to see The Last Jedi. My daughter had a Marcus gift card from her teacher, but when we arrived she wanted to see "The Greatest Showmen" instead. So we saw that.
 

Who the fuck cares?​

1. It was my post that you were correcting bud. It’s my context.

2. Oh, isn’t it a pity that we couldn’t have avoided this by... someone not ‘actually-ing’ a playing on a double entendre, that was also seperate to the overall point.

But ya did. And now ya suffer.




Here’s a hint for future reference: If i’m referring to Gungan harems and possible marriages to former Playschool presenters, it might be a hint that that a post may not be entirely rooted in a place of ‘deadly Serious Business(tm).’ Just mostly rooted in it.
 
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Would you feel this way if Finn had been portrayed by a white actor?

Why not question the idea of Leia becoming romantically involved with someone? Oh right. Han was played by a white actor.
OK, first of all I really, really don't appreciate being accused of being racist. My issues have nothing whatsoever to do with race, I would feel exactly the same way if he was white. I would also have no problem with it if they did get together, I just don't think it has to happen. A lot of people seem to be acting like they have to be together, and that some horrendous crime against humanity has been commited by not getting them together, and that is what I disagree with.
It's just that every time we see a man and woman become friends, people start acting like something is wrong if they don't start banging like horny rabbits or something, and I think it would be nice to see a man and a woman just stay friends.
 
It's just that every time we see a man and woman become friends, people start acting like something is wrong if they don't start banging like horny rabbits or something, and I think it would be nice to see a man and a woman just stay friends.
This...a 1000x times this!
 
Why on earth did Johnson bring up the possibility of a romance between Rey and Kylo Ren, when just a few days earlier, he had tried to penetrate her mind against her will and kill her? Was Rey supposed to quickly forget this, because the director wanted to hint this possibility of romance?

Yes, because the twisted idea of Rey being with a character who was a psychotic killer from the start (there's no "fall" from any moral identity for Ren) is preferable to the lone black male who has been reduced to a clown now unnaturally linked to Rose.

So? Must every fairy tale trope be checked off?

For a traditionalist creation like Star Wars...yes. That's what made the OT/PT work.

Yes, Lucas did intend for shades of gray, with a good guy

But that guy is not Obi-Wan. He's one of the few morally upright characters in the OT or PT.

Fair enough. I misread it.

No worries.

She did value it above all else until Anakin came along. It didn't feel natural. It felt forced.

Padme had her duty, but that did not mean she did not have other feelings or desires. As with anyone, it take the right person to bring that out in another, and for Padme, it was Anakin.

That argument proceeds from false assumption and concludes in error.

Nonsense. There are some SW/fantasy fans who created endless, hollow excuses why Finn & Rey (the only characters with true chemistry in this ST) should not be together, but aggressively argue Rey should be with Ren and/or Poe--for no good reason. That lack of any legitimate justification is an age-old resentment of a white female romantically involved with a black male.

And that's a load of garbage. People ship all characters, from Frodo/Thorin, to Princess Peach and Master Chief. It's not "buried." It's barely registered and we haven't seen the conclusion of the film! Yet, the assumptions abound...absurd.

Bull. This is a trilogy and its two films in, so the point:

Yes--a homicidal dictator or a guy she barely knows...instead of the one character that naturally bonded with her not only as a friend, but--if you look at her expression as Finn is pulling the sheet on Rose / her message to Chewbacca which (despite no on-screen translation) would not be retreading a message of a friendship both she and Finn already know exists. Nope--that's all buried with one Poe scene and fantasies that Rey will "save" Ren in time for the two to become an item.

There's no defending this calculated crap; Kathleen Kennedy, et al., created the paper thin Rose only to give some "excuse" why the natural chemistry brought to a white female character and black male character would be kicked to the curb, then yes--buried--while trying to suggest some connection between Rey and a homicidal dictator, or some other man she does not know at all.

Also, why can't they just be friends? Why most Rey be in a romance? Why must any of them?

Again--the Star Wars traditional fairy tale format used in two completed trilogies . This is not some other series where any random crap just happens, or change occurs for the hell of it. Romance is one of the central motivators in those trilogies, not a minor, expendable matter. This should be apparent to anyone knowing how Star Wars films (in the complete trilogies) work.
 
Again--the Star Wars traditional fairy tale format used in two completed trilogies . This is not some other series where any random crap just happens, or change occurs for the hell of it. Romance is one of the central motivators in those trilogies, not a minor, expendable matter. This should be apparent to anyone knowing how Star Wars films (in the complete trilogies) work.
This needs to change.
For a traditionalist creation like Star Wars...yes. That's what made the OT/PT work.
Didn't work in the PT at all.
But that guy is not Obi-Wan. He's one of the few morally upright characters in the OT or PT.
No, he is a liar, a manipulator, and a murderer.
Nonsense. There are some SW/fantasy fans who created endless, hollow excuses why Finn & Rey (the only characters with true chemistry in this ST) should not be together, but aggressively argue Rey should be with Ren and/or Poe--for no good reason. That lack of any legitimate justification is an age-old resentment of a white female romantically involved with a black male.
The only justification I need is that Rey does not NEED a romance. It is tired, worn out trope, that needs to change.
 
http://bingobite.info/2018/02/18/kylo-rens-last-jedi-tie-fighter-changed-toy/

This is interesting, in the initial design for the TIE Silencer, the missiles came from the bottom of the ship, but one of the first prototypes for the toy version had them in the wings, so Rian had the movie version changed to match.

I'm more curious about the toys where the Silencer has the white-on-black color of the other First Order TIEs, rather than the Empire-style black-on-gray coloring in the actual movie.
 
Didn't work in the PT at all.

You weren’t convinced by Obi-Wan and Anakin’s eternal star-crossed romance?

The declarations of love. The moments of common affection, and jokes that are only amusing because of a shared and personal history. The...heated stares.

Like Othello and Desdemona, they were. If Desdemona was a bit faster draw on the hacking and slashing.
 
You weren’t convinced by Obi-Wan and Anakin’s eternal star-crossed romance?

The declarations of love. The moments of common affection, and jokes that are only amusing because of a shared and personal history. The...heated stares.

Like Othello and Desdemona, they were. If Desdemona was a bit faster draw on the hacking and slashing.
It almost worked in ROTS, but was definitely uninspired in the first two. Third movie couldn't make up for such deficiencies.
 
It almost worked in ROTS, but was definitely uninspired in the first two. Third movie couldn't make up for such deficiencies.
That's the thing about the PT: a lot of solid ideas that are there if you pay attention, but they're mostly still let down by the execution.

The more time goes on, the more I'm convinced that the fundamental error Lucas made with the PT was in trying to fit the story he wanted to tell into the same swashbuckling adventure format he used for the OT. The material just doesn't lend itself to it very well.

Jar Jar wasn't the source of a problem, he was a symptom. Trying to compensate for a very dry and humourless narrative by burdening a single character with all the lighthearted comedy to keep the 8 year olds from falling asleep in the second act.
 
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