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Star Wars Rebels Season Two (spoilers)
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Didn't we already see that when the Death Star blew up Alderaan?
I meant the entire process that led to that point. Leia was already a key figure in the Rebellion -- and the Imperial Senate -- at the time we met her. How did she get there?
You want to see a committee meeting followed by a vote? I think we had enough of that in the prequels thank you.
Besides, Leia didn't take Bail's place. If anyone did, it'd be Mon Mothma. Leia's role seemed to continue as it had always been: a field operative and frontline leader/facilitator.
If she was that critical to the running of the Alliance, she wouldn't have been able to bugger off to go rescue Han on what seemed like a freelance mission, for want of a better term.
Plus, she wouldn't have found out the details of the Endor assault along with the other senior field commanders, much less be unaware that Solo had been given a General's commission and command of the strike team.
Judging by the conversations in ANH, Senator Leia Organa had encountered both Grand Moff Tarkin and Darth Vader before. Vader finally catching her in the act this time rather than being thrown off by a "mercy mission" and now has proof she is a traitor to the Empire.
The senator recognized Tarkin's "foul stench" on the Death Star, though that might have just her being polite in a Core World's fashion, as that was before she dropped her accent. Tarkin seemed to recognize her personally as well, so I gather they had crossed paths before rather than everything being by reputation.
There is still time. There are still about Four Years Before Yavin.
The senator recognized Tarkin's "foul stench" on the Death Star, though that might have just her being polite in a Core World's fashion, as that was before she dropped her accent. Tarkin seemed to recognize her personally as well, so I gather they had crossed paths before rather than everything being by reputation.
There is still time. There are still about Four Years Before Yavin.
You're just making me more eager to see Leia's story told on this show. Oh, why couldn't they have made it about her instead of boring old Kanan and Ezra? (I know, I know -- because the advertisers who help pay for these shows are sexist idiots who assume they can't sell action figures of female characters.)
Well... to be fair, I guess the advantage of original characters is that there's more freedom to tell their stories, whereas Leia's storyline would be more constrained by what we know. Same reason Ahsoka was the breakout character of The Clone Wars -- because she could evolve as a character in ways Anakin, Obi-Wan, and the others couldn't. Still, Leia's formative years are pretty vaguely defined, so I think there'd still be a lot of room to explore how she ended up as a senator/princess/rebel leader/action heroine. Not like Luke, whose life was canonically quite boring until a couple of droids fell out of the sky.
I wouldn't say "quite boring." Luke messed around with his friends and with them he learned to be a pilot who was good enough to fly with the Rebels. We know he did crazy things in a place called Beggar's Canyon and that he could shoot womp rats in his T-16. That's all canonical. It may have been boring, but Luke didn't just sit on his ass until the droids arrived.
That and Star Wars tends to like focusing on Jedi characters which might be hard to do with a Leia show pre-ROTJ.
I would imagine her formative years would be rather boring. I doubt she really did much with the Rebellion before ANH, as Bail would want to keep her from attracting too much scrutiny from Palpatine and Vader. And by the time she became a Senator, the Senate was just a rubber stamp for Palpatine, so there wouldn't be much interesting there. That leaves her life as a princess, and I'd rather watch a ragtag bunch of Rebels than another Disney Princess.
We could have Bail try to keep Leia out of things, but have her crash the party, while simultaneously rejecting Bail's well-meaning attempts to mold her into a genuine princess.
But whatever she would be crashing would have to be either low key enough that the Empire didn't already know she was a Rebel or leave no Imperial survivors.
And by low key I mean probably even lower key than the rather minor stuff Kanan and co got into as even that got their mugs shots put all over the galaxy.
Hmm, I meant more like Leia barging in on Bail communicating with other Rebels, busting him after the fact, and/or stowing away on the Tantive IV. The Empire wouldn't necessarily find out that she was aboard a ship that entered an engagement or went on some mission, if no spies aboard her reported back and the ship was never captured.
But this assumes Bail and the Tantive IV got involved in any direct actions against the Empire which is kind of doubtful seeing as Imperial Senators can't just go off and play insurgent without anyone in The Empire knowing about it.
Case in point when ever Bail Organa was involved in any Rebel activities he was never where the mission was going down in person, he either sent Artoo and 3PO or only showed up via hologram transmission. So I doubt there would be any missions he was on for Leia to sneak on.
Oh, I think we know for a canonical fact that Leia went on missions prior to the one she was on at the start of SW'77. Vader referred to her multiple "mercy missions" sarcastically during her initial interrogation. So, it's clear that she had already been actively going on missions for the Rebellion undercover as a Senator. And it's clear that Vader knew about those, but he could never prove they were Rebel activity, probably in part because she was exploiting diplomatic immunity.
Indeed, getting rid of that type of operative with the ability to exploit diplomatic immunity could well be part of why the Emperor dissolved the Senate.
Or, I suppose it's possible that Vader could prove it well enough what Leia was up to, and simply let her continue to operate as long as her missions remained relatively small-fry.
Indeed, getting rid of that type of operative with the ability to exploit diplomatic immunity could well be part of why the Emperor dissolved the Senate.
Or, I suppose it's possible that Vader could prove it well enough what Leia was up to, and simply let her continue to operate as long as her missions remained relatively small-fry.
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Leia Organa might surprise you in what she did and can do. Remember, she quite naturally took out several stormtroopers in the first film. As soon as she found out the boys didn't have a plan she immediately improved one to allow for their escape. They did have to rely on the droids, but that seems to be standard for all the Rebels style groups (be it Chopper or R2 and 3PO). Luke had already called them to see if there was another way out before Leia decided to take things into her own hands with the garbage chute.
She was able to stand up to the mind probe, which surprised Vader (that could have been her Force powers sectioning off her brain, or it could have been training on Alderaan).
She was no slouch in combat, in any of the films.
Vader could have been trying to pin her down with proof for a while, or at least trying to use her to find the Rebel's hidden base which had eluded him for some time.
One thing that didn't come out much, what Leia's Princessness. While she had an upper-class accent, so did the Imperial officers. She was a Senator (like her mother). As much as she is her mother's child, she is also her father's child. See just how much trouble Anakin and Padme could get into when told not to do anything.
To this we have two things. We have this cartoon "Rebels" and we have the upcoming "Rogue One" film that also deals with this era. While neither of these projects can focus on Leia, I would like to see one of the old EU concepts return. That of Winter, Leia's stand in/bodyguard. Much like her mother's handmaidens but more personal. Winter acted more like a princess than Leia ever did.
She was able to stand up to the mind probe, which surprised Vader (that could have been her Force powers sectioning off her brain, or it could have been training on Alderaan).
She was no slouch in combat, in any of the films.
Vader could have been trying to pin her down with proof for a while, or at least trying to use her to find the Rebel's hidden base which had eluded him for some time.
One thing that didn't come out much, what Leia's Princessness. While she had an upper-class accent, so did the Imperial officers. She was a Senator (like her mother). As much as she is her mother's child, she is also her father's child. See just how much trouble Anakin and Padme could get into when told not to do anything.
To this we have two things. We have this cartoon "Rebels" and we have the upcoming "Rogue One" film that also deals with this era. While neither of these projects can focus on Leia, I would like to see one of the old EU concepts return. That of Winter, Leia's stand in/bodyguard. Much like her mother's handmaidens but more personal. Winter acted more like a princess than Leia ever did.
How long has it been since you've seen A New Hope? Because that assumption is completely irreconcilable with the evidence in the movie. At the start of the film, Leia was personally delivering the Death Star plans to the Rebel Alliance -- the most important mission in the rebellion's history, and she was the one in charge of it. Not only that, but she was sent to retrieve General Kenobi from Tatooine, a hiding place that was surely secret from everyone but the leaders of the rebellion. Once captured, Leia was strong enough to resist Imperial interrogation and torture. She wasn't cowed when Tarkin threatened her with execution. And once Luke and Han "rescued" her, she proved to be at least as capable a fighter as either of them, and considerably more resourceful in a crisis. She was also the only one who realized that they were allowed to escape so they could be tracked (although it's unclear why they didn't do anything with that knowledge). She clearly had experience with espionage, combat, and strategy. She was as far from a pampered princess as you could get.I mean, come on, that's what was so inspired and revolutionary about Leia Organa as a character back in the '70s. Even though she was cast in the traditional damsel-in-distress role, she totally blew that trope out of the water by being a better action hero than either of the men who came to her rescue. That was something we hadn't really seen onscreen before, and it's a large part of Leia's enduring impact.
Also both Tarkin and Vader were extremely aware of her. So someone who was passive wouldn't even have been on their radar.
Maybe their going by the radio drama where Captain Antilles gives the impression stealing the Death Star plans was the biggest thing they were involved in as those mercy mission everyone likes think were major things were mostly just smuggling supplies to Rebel cells.
But she also couldn't be doing anything too major to be traced to her or she would be dead via shot in the face by that point.
They did execute the entire population of her home planet. They were keeping her around to determine where the rebel base was located, no?
