The electronic processing sounds the same as it always has. The difference is in Jones's performance. It's been a long time since he's played Vader, so it's natural that his performance would be different.
Star Wars Rebels Season Two (spoilers)
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The electronic processing sounds the same as it always has. The difference is in Jones's performance. It's been a long time since he's played Vader, so it's natural that his performance would be different.
I think it's possibly more symbolic than anything. Ezra is literally among the first generation to grow up under the Empire. Plus it allowed them to introduce the concept of "Empire Day", formally solidifying the show's place in the timeline and giving an excuse to look back at that time when the Republic fell.
I suppose there could be more too it. Perhaps one of his parents were force sensitive who were either expelled from the order, left on their own or their parents never gave them up/were never detected in the first place.
Another possibility is that Ezra may have been targeted as a child to be carted off to Palpatine's Inquisitor academy and his parents died making sure the Empire didn't find him.
Can't say I was to impressed by Cmdr Sato's military tactics. As soon as Vaders ship appeared they should have ditched the shuttle and high-tailed it into Hyperspace instead of bothering with launching fighters. Any fool would have realized tat that one fighter would have an Imperial task force right behind it.
Also I keep wondering what the Corellian Corvettes are good for. We saw two battles in the episode where they never fired a shot.
Also I keep wondering what the Corellian Corvettes are good for. We saw two battles in the episode where they never fired a shot.
Which ones are those?
Princess Leia's starship in the original film.
As to what they're good for, three of them were decisive in saving the Ghost crew in "Fire Across the Galaxy." They're obviously excellent against squadrons of regular TIE fighters, at least in limited engagements.
Clearly, they can't stand up to even those Imperial light cruiser-esque type ships (eta - looks like the Arquitens-class light cruiser, according to Wookieepedia); those have a big turret mounted top starboard (eta - and another one port, and perhaps twins on bottom; don't know) that looks like it's too much for them. I think it's obvious that the Rebels are still developing their tactics.
As to what they're good for, three of them were decisive in saving the Ghost crew in "Fire Across the Galaxy." They're obviously excellent against squadrons of regular TIE fighters, at least in limited engagements.
Clearly, they can't stand up to even those Imperial light cruiser-esque type ships (eta - looks like the Arquitens-class light cruiser, according to Wookieepedia); those have a big turret mounted top starboard (eta - and another one port, and perhaps twins on bottom; don't know) that looks like it's too much for them. I think it's obvious that the Rebels are still developing their tactics.
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The "Rebels Recon" for this episodes mentions that this is not yet the Rebel Alliance. that is still a year or more away. This is one of many seperate militia groups, rebel cells, and the like that are fighting in their own ways against the Empire. The Ghost crew has joined up with a cell funded by Senator Organa, and Ashoka seems to be coordinating Rebel cells in the region. We don't know how far Organa and Tano's reaches are yet.
Which is good, I was hoping we might get a definative look at the formation of the Alliance to Restore the Republic. We've seen in the trailer that a B-wing like fighter will be prototyped in the series. We have not seen any X-wings yet. I wonder if they will keep the story of their design team's defection and the theft of the X-wing from under the Empire's nose.
Which is good, I was hoping we might get a definative look at the formation of the Alliance to Restore the Republic. We've seen in the trailer that a B-wing like fighter will be prototyped in the series. We have not seen any X-wings yet. I wonder if they will keep the story of their design team's defection and the theft of the X-wing from under the Empire's nose.
Yeah, the clue is in the name: they're blockade runners. Clearly they're not meant for stand-up fights against cruisers, much less destroyers.
Indeed, the very first space battle we ever saw in a Star Wars movie was one of those getting it's arse handed to it by a destroyer that was clearly being careful not to blow it out of the sky. They're built for speed. Strictly hit and run.
Also worth keeping in mind is that this fleet is only equipped for raids and guerilla strikes. Plus that "Home Base" ship wasn't really a capital ship in the traditional sense. It was a Clone Wars-era frigate seemingly jury rigged to act as a light carrier. Probably heavily armoured and with adequate point defence armaments, but there's no way it could take a destroyer head-on, much less two.
As for Why Sato didn't order the fleet to jump straight away: perhaps he wanted to eliminate the "scout" before the re-enforcements showed up as it could observe their last trajectory and allow them to calculate their possible destinations. Better to make sure a threat is eliminated when the odds seem in your favour than risk it biting you in the arse later on down the line.
It's not like he knew he was up against the best starpilot in the galaxy, yes?
A bit off topic, but did anyone else wonder why the deliberately didn't show Palpatine's hologram? Was it because it's not until TESB that we get to see him, or because they simply hadn't built his model yet and took advantage of their limitation to do something stylistic?
Well, anyone who'd seen any movie or season of TCW would already know who it is and what the deal was. I think it was just a technique to inspire menace from an unseen person in charge.
The Rebel fleet we saw was scavenged or improvised, it seems; no purpose-built warships as yet, and the A-Wings may or may not have been existing Empire designs (I like to draw a line between these and the V-wings seen at the end of ROTS). I'm guessing Filoni and company would like to have a storyline bringing the Calamari into the fold. In the old canon, Ackbar himself designed the B-Wing, but I think they'll retcon it with the upcoming episode.
Still, in no way are our heroes equipped to slug it out with a Star Destroyer - for that I'm thankful they maintained the Arquitens class ships as a more size-appropriate foe for them, and the even smaller Gozanti cruisers balance things out. Perhaps we'll see more Rebel ships later - including my all-time favorite Nebulon-B, assuming they have the time to model all those modules and greeblies...
MAark
The Rebel fleet we saw was scavenged or improvised, it seems; no purpose-built warships as yet, and the A-Wings may or may not have been existing Empire designs (I like to draw a line between these and the V-wings seen at the end of ROTS). I'm guessing Filoni and company would like to have a storyline bringing the Calamari into the fold. In the old canon, Ackbar himself designed the B-Wing, but I think they'll retcon it with the upcoming episode.
Still, in no way are our heroes equipped to slug it out with a Star Destroyer - for that I'm thankful they maintained the Arquitens class ships as a more size-appropriate foe for them, and the even smaller Gozanti cruisers balance things out. Perhaps we'll see more Rebel ships later - including my all-time favorite Nebulon-B, assuming they have the time to model all those modules and greeblies...
MAark
In the X-Wing/TIE Fighter video game continuity, the Nebulon-B is an Imperial design. Wookieepedia sez:
Nothing canon there, but that's another instance, like the development of the B-wing, where it will be interesting see whether and how canon gets contrasted with the old backstory.
The X-Wing game has a mission to capture the frigate Priam, and in many of the TIE Fighter game missions, Nebulon-B's are in Imperial formations.
Nothing canon there, but that's another instance, like the development of the B-wing, where it will be interesting see whether and how canon gets contrasted with the old backstory.
Well since a certain amount of the hardware the rebels are using is going to be left over Republic equipment from The Clone Wars (for example: Y-Wings & the "Home Base" frigate) and that some of the hardware from that era is still going to be in use by the Empire (like those cruisers) it's not too much of a leap to suppose that there's bound to be a degree of overlap.
Add to that any instance (like in the season 1 finale) where the rebels are able to hijack Imperial ships, then seeing the same designs used by both sides shouldn't be all that surprising.
Anyway, if and when the Nebulon-B does show up, it's a fair bet it'll be appropriately stylised for the show, just like the Star Destroyers, Tie Fighters, A-Wings etc. have been.
Add to that any instance (like in the season 1 finale) where the rebels are able to hijack Imperial ships, then seeing the same designs used by both sides shouldn't be all that surprising.
Anyway, if and when the Nebulon-B does show up, it's a fair bet it'll be appropriately stylised for the show, just like the Star Destroyers, Tie Fighters, A-Wings etc. have been.
I'd hazard to say that we wouldn't see rebel-affiliated ships on the side of the Empire, at least not at this junction. It WOULD be fun to see Ezra undercover on a medical frigate and OOH LOOK IT'S THE SAME MODEL AS THE REBEL SHIP IN THE PREMIERE!!!!, but I'm thinking the suits don't want to "confuse" the casual viewers some how.
I know the old canon had the Nebulon-B as an Empire frigate, but in this new Disney era everything is up for grabs. It could just as easily be a converted non-military, non-Empire design, since the only two REAL references in the movies have them both in a medical role (at the end of ESB and as Lando refers to it in ROTJ). Thing is, the Empire AS IT IS ESTABLISHED seems to stick to overly large (tri)angular capital ship designs, as we see a distinct design lineage from AOTC through to the end of Jedi. I think that somewhere, with their old thinking, they want to keep the Empire faction visually distinct from the hodgepodge of design types we see with the Rebels.
Mark
I know the old canon had the Nebulon-B as an Empire frigate, but in this new Disney era everything is up for grabs. It could just as easily be a converted non-military, non-Empire design, since the only two REAL references in the movies have them both in a medical role (at the end of ESB and as Lando refers to it in ROTJ). Thing is, the Empire AS IT IS ESTABLISHED seems to stick to overly large (tri)angular capital ship designs, as we see a distinct design lineage from AOTC through to the end of Jedi. I think that somewhere, with their old thinking, they want to keep the Empire faction visually distinct from the hodgepodge of design types we see with the Rebels.
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The old truth is that nearly all the ships the Rebel Alliance used were either old Republic ships left over from the Clone Wars and savlaged. Stolen Imperials ships. Local planetary ships used by races that directly supported the rebellion. Old Seperatist ships converted for living crews rather than battle droids, or converted civilian ships.
The Nebulon-B frigate is likely a ship used by the Empire. I has some design resemblances to Seperatist ships in the Clone Wars.
The Mon Cal cruisers are the powerful ships, but the question remains what are they. The old EU called them converted passanger liners. The question being, if the Rebels captured and converted them, or if Mon Cal openly rebelled and is making warships for the Alliance.
The Nebulon-B frigate is likely a ship used by the Empire. I has some design resemblances to Seperatist ships in the Clone Wars.
The Mon Cal cruisers are the powerful ships, but the question remains what are they. The old EU called them converted passanger liners. The question being, if the Rebels captured and converted them, or if Mon Cal openly rebelled and is making warships for the Alliance.
Which makes sense, although it doesn't explain why they weren't firing on the Tie's, or Vader's ship in the two engagements we say. I suppose during the convoy attack they were mainly there to draw fire away from the Ghost.
Anyway, I've always been a fan of those ships. Here's hoping we get to see them in combat at some point, and not just as cannon fodder.
About 10 years since he played Vader if you count ROTS and the Special Editions. Granted he is older but i think it's more than just the performance.
I didn't really notice much difference in his voice. If anything Vader sounds less angry than he did in the films. He is more calm and in control than the frustrated Vader in the parts of the films. Sounds almost exactly like his early exchanges with Lando, or his talk to that officer after his sends Leia away following the opening battle, before he order troops down to Tattooine.
Somehow I would think that chasing these (and other) Rebels for five years will make him angry and more like we see him in the films.
Somehow I would think that chasing these (and other) Rebels for five years will make him angry and more like we see him in the films.
Exactly. It's a lighter, more relaxed performance. That's not the sort of thing that can be changed electronically. The technology -- and the human voice -- just doesn't work that way. Electronic processing can change the pitch and timbre of a voice in some ways, it can add distortion to it, but it can't change the acting. Not unless it suppresses the harmonics so completely that the nuances of the performance are lost, but that's not what's happening here; if anything, the performance is more expressive, and the voice is clearly not muffled to that degree.
