Star Wars Rebels Season Two (spoilers)

[Mark_Nguyen]

...Whoa. The B-wing had a Death Star-esque superlaser? Mind blown!

And what is this never-realized ROTJ sequence of which you speak? I know they cut the ship's inclusion drastically, but I thought it was mostly because its shape wouldn't have worked with the bluescreen technology of the time...

Mark

 

[Reverend]

...Whoa. The B-wing had a Death Star-esque superlaser? Mind blown!

And what is this never-realized ROTJ sequence of which you speak? I know they cut the ship's inclusion drastically, but I thought it was mostly because its shape wouldn't have worked with the bluescreen technology of the time...

Mark

"Sequence" may be overstating it a bit. I'm going just off memory, but I think a squadron of B-wings were supposed to be shown blowing up a Star Destroyer. There's certainly a piece of semi well known concept art that depicts such a scene.
As for the problems with the miniature, I think there were several, one of which being that they couldn't get the rotating cockpit to work properly and yes, I think I recall that the slim profile made it difficult to see when comped into the more frenetic battle scenes.

 

[ALF]

Check the Blu Ray ROTJ deleted scenes and you'll find a few scenes that co-relate to this missing sequence, although I understood it was a B wing attack on the part of the Death Star II that was incomplete and therefore more vulnerable.

There are a couple more scenes from tomorrow's premiere out, but I've had enough. Just bring on The Lost Commanders, already. It'll be 24h from now!

Anyone else rewatch The Clone Wars between seasons?

 

[Reverend]

Check the Blu Ray ROTJ deleted scenes and you'll find a few scenes that co-relate to this missing sequence, although I understood it was a B wing attack on the part of the Death Star II that was incomplete and therefore more vulnerable.

Seems like it would make more sense if the shots would have been used as part of the quick-cut sequence of rebel fighters turning the tide, culminating in them taking down the super star destroyer. Attacking the surface of the Death Star seems a little pointless.

Indeed, IIRC right when Ackbar is giving the "we've got to give those fighters more time" speech, you do see a Star Destroyer blow up in the background in a manner very reminiscent of the B-Wing assault concept art, so perhaps those shots were meant to immediately precede Ackbar's line.
Or not. I suppose the only way to know is to take a look at the storyboards. But even then the film was in flux right up to editing, so even that might not give the full picture.

 

[Q2UnME]

I guess last night was the Season 2 premier on DisneyXD. I didn't get the chance to watch, hopefully it's sitting on my DVR to catch tonight.

Anyone see it?

Q2

 

[Mr Light]

201 "The Lost Commanders" 3/4

It was a small episode without any big movements, but it was still pretty magical to see Rex and some clones come back as old men. I thought the visuals of the rusting old AT-TE walking along a desert plain to be really beautiful; did the show always look this good?

Did you notice that Sabine changed her hair color and armor? I think it looks great! Hopefully she'll change with every season premiere so we can tell what season it is just by the visual

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Not sure how I feel about "The Lost Commanders" overall. It was entertaining, but a pretty big step down from "The Siege of Lothal".

The Jaws hunting sequence was fun, if recklessly stupid.

I think everyone was too quick to simply forgive Wolffe.

I really don't see how characters can dodge the blaster bolts coming from the probe droid. I guess they're just that good?

I'm not thrilled about taking the Ghost out with a broken hyperdrive. We already went down the road of taking craft out that weren't shipshape in "Out of Darkness".

Hoping it gets back up to the level of the previous two episodes ("Siege" and "Fire"). (Yes, I know those were bigger than usual episodes.)

 

[Reverend]

I really don't see how characters can dodge the blaster bolts coming from the probe droid. I guess they're just that good?

Well Chewie managed it, so clearly probe droids aren't exactly sharpshooters.

I'm not thrilled about taking the Ghost out with a broken hyperdrive. We already went down the road of taking craft out that weren't shipshape in "Out of Darkness".

The Ghost has been consistently depicted as being under near constant repair and it's not as if they can afford to take her in somewhere for a full overhaul.

Hoping it gets back up to the level of the previous two episodes ("Siege" and "Fire"). (Yes, I know those were bigger than usual episodes.)

This is a lull episode that's more about world building and character stuff. It can't be balls to the wall action and intrigue all the time. Things need to be paced appropriately.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Chewie was already behind a mound in the first place, fully prepared to its presence, when the probe droid fired at him. His probe droid also activated a siren and gave some warning. Chewie had moved to duck, howling in distress, before the shots started to go off.

Sabine on the other hand was standing pretty much out in the open and don't even begin to dance out of the way until the blaster bolts were already in flight. I'd already complained about that last season in the beginning of "Fire." This is more of the same.

It's a question of degree.

 

[Reverend]

^You may be overthinking this a bit. If stormtroopers can barely shoot straight, how can you expect a droid not even built for combat to be any better? Especially when the prequels & TCW made the point that living troops are inherently better than battle droids because droids are morons.

 

[Christopher]

This episode was kind of disappointing. I'd expected more from the return of Rex than an interminable slapstick chase for a desert creature, and the way it was played for laughs even after Zeb (is that his name?) was apparently eaten was tonally jarring.

I would've liked more focus on Kanan's mistrust of the clones as a result of Order 66. Having him confront and acknowledge that part of his past is perhaps the first thing this show has done that's made Kanan at all interesting to me. I wanted more of that and more of whatever Ahsoka's doing, and none of this silly time-wasting monster hunt.

Were the other two clones characters we've seen before, or just Rex?

 

[Dac]

I remember mentions of Gregor and Wolfe in TCW, but I can't remember them being featured characters very often. In fact the only one I remember over than Rex is Five's.

 

[Corran Horn]

Gregor was a Clone Commando in season 5. (assuming it is the same Gregor)

 

[JD]

Here's Wolffe's wookiepedia page. I recognized the name, but I didn't realize he was in so many TCW episodes.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

^You may be overthinking this a bit. If stormtroopers can barely shoot straight, how can you expect a droid not even built for combat to be any better? Especially when the prequels & TCW made the point that living troops are inherently better than battle droids because droids are morons.

If that were all that were going on, it might make more sense. The ridiculously acrobatic dodging once the blaster bolts are already in flight is one thing that's really bugging me. It's practically in Bugs Bunny territory. That's something on top of effectiveness of living troops versus droids. To be honest, I'm not entirely comfortable with the cartoon comedy aspects of it.

I said it was a question of degree. Fantasy violence is one thing. But when it's taken to the extreme of cartoon violence appropriate more for indestructible toons, it's something else. Star Wars has always tried to strike a balance on the fine line between the serious and the comedic even when it comes to violence. For the prototype on how to strike that balance, I return to Episode IV. The opening when the Tantive IV was boarded immediately and dramatically depicted fantasy violence where people, and good guys at that, were getting hurt and killed. Later on in the film, the main characters had some fun running around the Death Star, but there was always legitimate danger lurking about them, and Obi-Wan didn't even make it off the station. Yes, his spirit lived on, but not his body. And many Rebel pilots died to bring us the destruction of the Death Star. It just rubs me the wrong way a little when a show aimed at kids portrays fantasy violence that should be dangerous in a way when the main characters don't have to worry about getting hurt. All I'm saying is that I'd prefer a slightly harder edge here to portray the main characters as being at least a little more responsible and to perceive themselves as being in danger instead of having some kind of ball.

 

[Reverend]

Here's Wolffe's wookiepedia page. I recognized the name, but I didn't realize he was in so many TCW episodes.

I certainly recognised his design thanks to the eye, but I don't recall him having many lines or particularly memorable scenes. Mostly I had the impression he was mostly just there to have another senior clone that wasn't Rex or Cody.

Speaking of, I wonder if Cody will show up at some point? I'm guessing he stayed in the Empire and is now a training officer at some Imperial academy. I can't imagine he'd still be on front line duty with the accelerated ageing.

Also interesting that Kanan knew about the bio-chips already. I'm assuming this is covered in the backstory comic?

 

[Mr Light]

I've watched the entire Clone Wars series through like three times, and I still can't be bothered to keep track of any clone character. They're just not interesting to me. It was cool to see Rex n co here because it's 15 years later, but as individuals they were never interesting.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I thought it was somewhat amusing that at least two out of three of them are huger. Rex seems to be much huger.

 

[Shawnster]

Not to derail the subject too much...

I don't think I've seen this mentioned before in connection with the Inquisitor from Season 1. I'm rewatching Clone Wars (in chronological order) and I'm on Season 3 "Overlord."

Separated at birth?

The Son

The Inquisitor

 

[Reverend]

Well the Son is a shapeshifting cosmic being that is the personification of the dark side of the force and can only be killed by a the Dagger of Mortis, while The Inquisitor is a Pau'an who killed himself by falling into a reactor explosion, so no, probably not.

That said, the markings may not be a coincidence since it seems the Inquisitors are all trained by Vader and he's one of only three people in the galaxy to have laid eyes on the Son. Possibly a mark of senior rank?

Indeed, the fact that the other Inquisitors have been assigned names like "Seventh Sister" & "Fifth Brother" may also be a reference to the Son and Daughter. Also a pretty clear sign that they're raised by the Empire in cadres, probably abducted in infancy like we saw Palpatine attempt in TCW, bit that's another discussion.