Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x09 - "Terrarium"
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Hey, when I'm right I'm right.
At least that one was ENJOYABLE. And scary AF. At least, for me.
"Regeneration" is THE best Borg story in Trek since at least FC. Hands down.
So, I dunno, maybe Cestus is the name of the primary planet and III is its third moon? And the colonists were for some reason totally fine with plunging through Cestus’ atmosphere on a regular basis? (The first part could work, but I see no obvious way to square the second)
Oh, good lord.
First, I was talking generally. Maybe you love breaking things down into percentages, but I don't. Secondly, as I said to Mudd above in the post directly above yours, usually on TOS when Spock got angry or acted out of character, there was some outside force acting upon him.
But if you're going to be THIS anal about it, fine:
TOS S1 The Naked Time - Spock's influenced by the virus & not in his right mind.
TOS S1 The Menagerie - Spock smiles once and shouts a couple of times in the flashback scenes to "The Cage." He never loses his temper. It's the pilot, and they were working the kinks out.
TOS S1 The Gallileo Seven (sic) - I don't recall Spock losing his temper in this episode. Shouting to be heard at the end, maybe, but that's different than genuinely getting angry.
TOS S1 This Side of Paradise - Under the influence of the spores, so again, not in his right mind.
TOS S1 Devil In The Dark - Spock yells when he mind melds with the Horta & he gets excited once when he thinks Kirk's life is in danger, but again, he never gets angry as far as I remember.
TOS S1 Operation Anihilate (sic) - He's struck blind, but again, if Spock ever gets angry or loses his temper in this episode, I don't recall it.
TOS S2 Amok Time - Spock loses his temper while he's undergoing Pon Farr. In other words, AGAIN, he's not in his right mind. (Noticing a theme here?)
TOS S2 The Changeling - Where does Spock lose his temper in this episode?
TOS S2 The Immunity Syndrome - Again, nada.
TOS S2 Return To Tommorrow (sic) - Spock is possessed by an alien's consciousness. Again, (sing along everybody) SPOCK IS NOT IN HIS RIGHT MIND, and indeed, it's not even Spock, it's Henoch.
TOS S3 Spock's Brain - Spock is not Spock for 90% of this episode (only an estimate, please don't time it), and he doesn't speak for most of it. So no, he never loses his temper.
TOS S3 The Enterprise Incident - Spock is on a spy mission here and lies over the course of performing his mission. So he's only pretending to lose his temper. In actuality, he's playing the Romulan Commander like a fiddle, and she's falling for it every step of the way. (She's pretty gullible, honestly.)
TOS S3 Plato's Stepchildren - Under mind control by the Platonians. Again, not responsible for his actions. (Or maybe it's just physical control. I don't remember for sure because frankly speaking, this episode's a piece of crap and I barely ever subject myself to it.)
TOS S3 All Our Yesterdays - Once again, not in his right mind because of time travel shenanigans that didn't even make sense back in 1969.
So that leaves us with "The Naked Time," "This Side of Paradise," "Amok Time," "Return to Tomorrow," "Plato's Stepchildren," and "All Our Yesterdays." Six episodes, and there are clear reasons given for Spock losing emotional control in all of them. Do you get it now?
I thought most people here would get what I was saying without me having to write an entire dissertation about this, but I guess not.
And here you missed my main point. I was talking about the JJ Abrams version of Spock played by Zachary Quinto, specifically in 2009's Star Trek and Into Darkness, which both contain scenes of Spock losing his temper and attacking people while there is no outside force acting upon him. In other words, he loses his temper just like a normal human being might, becoming much less interesting as a result.
In any case, I was NOT talking about the SNW Spock in my first response to Mudd. I was talking about the Abrams/Kelvin Spock that he referenced. SNW Spock has a whole other set of mischaracterization issues.
Steve Shives is a consistently smart guy.
There are TWO planets where significant action occurs in " Arena": Cestus III, where a Federation outpost was annihilated by the Gorn, and the unnamed planet where Kirk fought the Gorn as part of the Metron's test.
Decent episode and good to see the spotlight on Ortegas but the ending was more fan service that doesn't make sense.
Right, it's just easy to misremember because Sisko said Kirk fought the Gorn on Cestus III. Which he did, but only from far away with photon grenades or whatever they were. Why would Sisko wanna talk to him about that?
D'oh! Thanks for the reminder correction. Damn Sisko ringing in my ears.
Shub-Internet apparently just ate a longer response I had typed up, but okay, that second world makes sense. Think it was called an asteroid in “Arena”, or at least Wikipedia says so. Figure it started life as a dwarf planet, and now it serves as a convenient “experiment arena” the Metrons drag from place to place — now parking it in orbit around some gas giant, now pulling it out to the middle of nowhere because that’s where the latest
I dunno. I trust SNW's writers enough that if they did do a Borg episode, it could end up being one of the franchise's better Borg episodes.
It was referred to as an asteroid by everyone in the episode; but it definitely wasn't the same asteroid as the one used in TOS S1 Arena.
That's not saying much as it had the same old tired Borg tropes; and I thought those Borg took way too long to adapt to the Phase Pistols.
I did like the scene where Captain Archer realized he had to airlock the Borg on the ship; and thought it was a turning point for the character as a Captain, because it was one of the few really hard choices he had to make as the Captain.
Yes it was definitely the correct choice but he was very tortured about having to make it.
Still, I wish they hadn't done that episode on ENT, and it was really ridiculous to have the line - "We've stopped an invasion for what, 200 years?"
And the premise is similar to the UFO episode "Survival" from almost a decade earlier.Im shocked with all the talk of Enemy Mine that more people are not mentioning the OG crashed pilot buddies.
Oh, I thought the Metron made the episode.
You know, this almost looks like a little proposal to show someone, "Okay, this is how we'd approach doing TOS" - rather in the same way that "If Memory Serves" reinstantiated characters and element from Trek's first pilot.
I'm in.
You know, this almost looks like a little proposal to show someone, "Okay, this is how we'd approach doing TOS" - rather in the same way that "If Memory Serves" reinstantiated characters and element from Trek's first pilot.
I'm in.
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