Really been since TMP and TWOK and TNG.
Roddenberry wanting to distance himself made that apparent though they still relied upon TOS touchstones in TNG. But, TMP made it clear that TOS wasn't quite right. TWOK felt similarly.
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Roddenberry wanting to distance himself made that apparent though they still relied upon TOS touchstones in TNG. But, TMP made it clear that TOS wasn't quite right. TWOK felt similarly.
I have to agree with this. Particularly given their past experiences with the Gorn.
Since my Star Trek viewership started with TNG (I only have vague memories of seeing the faceless lady from "Charlie X" and getting nightmares as a result so avoided it as a child), so I never had the direct perspective of Vulcans as a super mysterious people. With the understanding of Vulcans being longterm allies of Earth and founders of the Federation, I have always found the idea that pon farr was secret - the basic mating practices of our closest allies - to be patently absurd. That would require no human biologist or sociologist or anything akin to do any kind of real inquiry into the Vulcan species or culture. And if they barred humans from exploring such things, then that would need to be clearly stated for it to make sense.
Edit: In fact, on TOS it made no sense. Spock's mother was human. She at least had to have known about how Vulcans mate. I suppose she must have sworn an oath never to talk of it under penalty of death. Oh Vulcan logic. Of course you should be embarrassed about a basic biological function!
But it's TV, so ultimately, I shrug.
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That's how I rationalize it; but, let's be honest, that's not what happened.
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Spock presents a dramatic challenge in modern framing for several reasons, and so it's been interesting to see how the producers of SNW have handled him.
He is not mysterious,. or "exotic" (now understood as pejorative), or an "other." He's someone who everyone knows and recognizes immediately and are mostly very fond of. He's become one of us, and Vulcan itself a tourist destination rather than a trip into the unknown.
So, one path that the writers and actors can take is to portray him by making believe for the sake of the characters in the story that he and his world are still mysterious, in pursuit of protecting some sanctified continuity. The problem with that, is that the audience is in a lot of stuff the characters aren't, from the get-go - in essence, he's a running inside joke, if not a deliberately funny one.
Wink-wink.
The unfolding of stories about him can't evoke the sense of discovery that they did in TOS.
Abrams opted for something like that approach, at least nominally presenting and prompting Quinto to portray him very closely in the footsteps of Nimoy. The most that can accomplish is to provoke feelings of nostalgia for the original series and actor.
And it would be an entire waste of opportunities for a modern retelling of Star Trek that is unfolding over a longer series of stories and greater length of time.
Pretty fucking adroitly.
He is not mysterious,. or "exotic" (now understood as pejorative), or an "other." He's someone who everyone knows and recognizes immediately and are mostly very fond of. He's become one of us, and Vulcan itself a tourist destination rather than a trip into the unknown.
So, one path that the writers and actors can take is to portray him by making believe for the sake of the characters in the story that he and his world are still mysterious, in pursuit of protecting some sanctified continuity. The problem with that, is that the audience is in a lot of stuff the characters aren't, from the get-go - in essence, he's a running inside joke, if not a deliberately funny one.
Wink-wink.
The unfolding of stories about him can't evoke the sense of discovery that they did in TOS.
Abrams opted for something like that approach, at least nominally presenting and prompting Quinto to portray him very closely in the footsteps of Nimoy. The most that can accomplish is to provoke feelings of nostalgia for the original series and actor.
And it would be an entire waste of opportunities for a modern retelling of Star Trek that is unfolding over a longer series of stories and greater length of time.
La'an shot to kill and had no regrets except the pain she caused Erica. In her eyes, she's the security chief and she did what she was supposed to.
I figure it’s the society-level equivalent of why, despite having known my best friend for 42 years, I never have and never would watch him go to the bathroom, and he certainly wouldn’t want to describe to me his specific ablutions in there (nor would I want him to). It’s that level of visceral, ingrained Don’t Go There.
Well, one would hope she had some regrets, once she found out this particular Gorn had in fact saved Erica.
Isn’t that a book by Robert Ludlum?
I have to disagree.
Why they just didn't beam up Ortegas?
(cause they wanted L'aan to kill Lady Gorn)
It did. Like a dying or a blue star.
There was a huge, moon-wide explosion, yeah she's coming out of the scratch-built shelter panicked, but fine shoit. But why set to kill?
It's a simple button/slider flip to go from Stun to Kill and La'an would certainly make such a flip anytime she sees a Gorn.
I didn't want to go and tag everyone that was discussing it, but on the discussion about if the Gorn was shot on a stun or deadly setting, you only need to look at the color of the phaser bolt to tell. On SNW, blue is one of the stun settings, red is one of the deadly settings.
THOSE are what you're hung up about? You do know that the speed of the Enterprise was outlined in TOS episodes like 'That Which Survives' which states the 1701 can do 1,000 light years in 12 hours.
TAS and ST5 show the galactic center is reachable, which it indeed is going by the TOS speed dialogue.
Come TNG, the warp scale is slowed over a 100-fold. Going to the delta quadrant takes 70 years suddenly (70,000 light years should've been reachable in a month going by TOS dialogue), and it's the basis of an entire show, Voyager. No in-universe explanation is given for the great warp slowdown, and fans who grew up with TNG first unfairly berate Shatner for making the center of the galaxy reachable even though that was indeed the standard in TOS and TAS (let's not even get into going to the galactic barrier which was supposedly done in the 2060s AND is also a considerable distance from Earth).
Your complaints are pretty mild compared to the contradiction I mentioned just now.
Oh and about the police shooting on the Gorn--
Ortegas: You just froze time for my crew mid-transport to give me a lecture. Which means you could've froze time anytime you wanted and saved my Gorn buddy from that phaser shot?
Metron: ...
It is a star, just you wait!!! This breakout performance will have the studios lining up!
One word explains it all ... METRONS
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