They have an injection for that too.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"
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None of this makes what you choose to believe "canon."I have no problem with the SNW Connie being 442 meters long.
It's only when you try to Retro-Actively apply that figure to the TOS Connie is when I start having issues with that.
True. It's also a fact that for 50+ years, the TOS Connie was generally accepted to be a different set of dimensions as well.
But don't let that fact affect new canon data.
But that figure applies to the SNW Connie.
That ship isn't identical in looks or dimensions to the TOS Connie
We all know what the TOS Connie looks like:
L×W = 947' × 417' = 288.646 m × 127.102 m
We all know that it's not the same ship, production even knows that.
But you're telling me it's the same ship, ergo the same length.
But I don't blindly apply it to every iteration of the vessel.
Different eras, different designs.
SNW/Discovery Production knew exactly what they were doing when they made the SNW Connie.
MA Constition Class Size:
They intentionally scaled up the size of the Connie by 53% in all dimensions.
It stands to reason that production didn't have any intention of applying the New Dimensional Figures to the old TOS design when they debuted the new numbers.
Their intention wasn't for a blank "One-Size Fits All" #.
But if you are that rigid about following Star Trek Canon Rules to the Explicit Letter, then there's not much I can do; because you're following the letter of the rules, not the intent from the production staff.
While the rules would back you up, I don't think they were ever intended to be applied this way.
Since this automatically causes conflict / division amongst a subset of the Trek Fandom.
That's why I stand on the position that I do.
Yes I know, I'm a fellow Trekkie, just like you.
I know what the ST Canonicity rules are, but it doesn't make sense given we know how the ship was designed and how it was meant to be applied.
You want to blindly apply it to the past productions and call it good.
I have a hard time buying this given numerous external factors.
It's not about my belief, most fans that care about Ship Sizes have known about the size of the TOS Connie long before I was born or even a Trekkie.
It's 50+ years of established information, and you're telling everybody that they should throw it out and be replaced with the new values.
Even though the SNW Connie isn't identical to the TOS Connie, but you treat it as the same ship and justify it via "Visual Reboot".
Despite the numerous In-Universe Time-Line Conflicts between TOS events & newer productions that have created numerous TimeLine / Continuity issues that don't make sense or match up.
The simple logical solution/conclusion would be that DISCO / SNW takes place in a slightly different Time-Line or Continuity than TOS.
So everythings a bit different due to numerous Time-Travel Shenanigans that have occured.
So different Ship Sizes, different features, that's fine then.
Timey Wimey Wibley Wobbly.
But you keep on insisting that it's "The Prime Time-Line", despite "Prime being arbitrary & relative to the Time-Line you were natively born into".
And that's where we're conflicting at.
It's not. It's your opinion.
They've decided that the TOS ship was bigger than a lot of fans assumed. That's not a new proposal. The only difference is that the figures are being integrated into the actual canon episodes in visible ways. Jefferies working numbers - which roughly doubled between the original design and what was used in TOS - never were.
It matters if it delays Otoy's digital rendering because they have to go back and change everything to fit the new canon dimensions. If the writer of this episode is found beaten to death with a keyboard, the designers just need Trek fans on the jury to get an acquittal.
That escalated quickly…
Here's the thing. Very rarely do interior sets match exteriors on TV shows. They are almost always bigger interior sets as opposed to the exterior. For everything to fit in the SNW they probably needed to make it like 600 meters... 
All the quarters are now the size of ten forward, the bridge is about twice as big as the TOS bridge, the hallways are probably 25% larger and then the turbolift interior is cavernous. So upscaling it 40% does not work boys. It just doesn't. They didn't rescale it because 288 didn't work in TOS they rescaled it because 288 didn't work for THEIR SNW ENTERPRISE. 400+ was probably a happy medium for them. But it's about as close to what they really need as TOS was as close to what they needed. End of story...the TOS Enterprise is still 288......have a good morning gentlemen...
All the quarters are now the size of ten forward, the bridge is about twice as big as the TOS bridge, the hallways are probably 25% larger and then the turbolift interior is cavernous. So upscaling it 40% does not work boys. It just doesn't. They didn't rescale it because 288 didn't work in TOS they rescaled it because 288 didn't work for THEIR SNW ENTERPRISE. 400+ was probably a happy medium for them. But it's about as close to what they really need as TOS was as close to what they needed. End of story...the TOS Enterprise is still 288......have a good morning gentlemen...
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I suppose they had to downsize everything to fit twice the crew in for TOS. Plus extra space can be swallowed up by Jeffreys Tubes, electronics, and back up batteries.Here's the thing. Very rarely do interior sets match exteriors on TV shows. They are almost always bigger interior sets as opposed to the exterior. For everything to fit in the SNW they probably needed to make it like 600 meters...
Remembering the lack mathematical common sense in NuTrek, the question is - do the windows match the dimensions?
Well they could make the SNW quarters enough for 3 revamped TOS quarters.
Also engineering looks to be bigger as well. I forgot what the SNW shuttle bay looks like. But in the end if we take any of the dimensions seriously none of it really works for either show. Bonanza for example. The interior of the house never would have fit in the exterior dimensions. And I'm not talking about the fact that the shell of the house only went back so far. The height of the interior and exterior don't match. The thing is it just has to look like it can fit. It doesn't have to be an exact science.
Thing is, as has already been mentioned many times in this thread and others on this subject matter, Doug Drexler, who is himself these days considered a Holy Prophet by many amongst Trek Fandom's ship nuts, already treated the TOS style Constitution class as being over 400 meters when working on Enterprise's In a Mirror Darkly. Why is it okay for this change to occur in 2005 with no complaints whatsoever, yet the same thing happens in 2025 and suddenly it's a betrayal to Trek Fandom? Other than the usual rhetoric that everything from 1966-2005 is the Holy Works and nothing done since 2009 can be considered acceptable with the exception of Picard S3?
I'd be okay with Roberta April, as long as she's still married to Sarah April. Some aspects of canon should still be adhered to.
It was mentioned in that 2 parter? If it was why is SNW the same number as what doug drexler used?. Because it works much better for TOS than it does SNW.
Also those of us who like 1966-2005 + Picard season 3 are well aware that things don't line up perfectly with all those shows either. The difference is SNW/Disco makes it more glaring...and kills suspension of disbelief......
I personally do not see why issues such as TOS vs TMP Klingons or size attributed to the Enterprise from a blurry diagram on a screen from 1968 vs a clear image from 2005 can pass while the TMP Klingons vs DSC Klingons or same blurry 1968 diagram on a screen vs clear statement from 2025 don't. Then again, I just relax and enjoy the ride for the most part and don't let stuff like that bother me.
If you don't upscale the Enterprise then the NX-01 and the 1701 have virtually the same size saucer section, which doesn't feel right at all.
Well the TOS-TMP Klingon issue was resolved. Before that people talked about it quite a bit. But then DISCO had to make them all bald with 4 nostrils and elongated skulls...
...there is absolutely zero reason they could not have just continued TMP look. There were more than enough variations of TMP makeup for variety. We didn't need a total revamp of the Klingons. They did step it back through and made their own TMP variation without the 4 nostrils and Elongated Heads etc. They even designed better costumes and got rid of the Weird gold ones from Disco which were just awful. There is an old saying. If it ain't broke....DONT FIX IT. The Klingon look was working for 30 years of production. They didn't have to redo it.
I do get what you are saying about enjoying the ride. But the ride lately has not been so enjoyable unfortunately.
Does size really matter? Isn’t it more important how you use it?
Like you can find 12 Star Trek fans who can agree on anything.
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